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JULIA Gillard's carbon tax plan has reversed public support for action on global warming, damaged her leadership and delivered Labor its lowest primary support on record.

The Australian leads with today's Newspoll, which shows Labor's support in the polls has slumped to a 30 per cent primary vote. In the two-party-preferred vote, the ALP trails the Coalition 46-54, down from 50-50 a fortnight ago. And Kevin Rudd leads Ms Gillard as preferred PM 44-37. As Dennis Shanahan writes, the numbers are a record low primary vote for the ALP and follow Ms Gillard's decision to announce a carbon tax.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...owest-level-poll/story-e6frea8c-1226017394059

Just LOL on all of this. It would seem that they have lost touch with the proletariat.
 
The Poll is still not good news for the Coalition. Although Labor has slumped to a new low, Gillard is still more popular in the PM stakes than Abbott. The answer is plain...both have to go.

And the Greens, who are really the cause of Gillard's bad judgment, have gone up two points. Brown's machiavellian plan is working. It's no wonder he's grinning like a rat with a gold tooth, these days.
 
Calliope said:
The Poll is still not good news for the Coalition. Although Labor has slumped to a new low, Gillard is still more popular in the PM stakes than Abbott. The answer is plain...both have to go.
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Well, that won't happen, at least in the immediate future. If they were to go, who do you suggest should replace them? Would you like to see all Kev's dreams come true and have him back as Dear Leader prior to his appointment to the UN?

And the Greens, who are really the cause of Gillard's bad judgment, have gone up two points. Brown's machiavellian plan is working. It's no wonder he's grinning like a rat with a gold tooth, these days.
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This is quite peculiar, given the presumed reason for Gillard's huge fall in popularity is the Greens' policy of a carbon tax.
What's going on here? Is this just further evidence of total disgust with both the major parties on the part of people who either can't be bothered to think any further about the reality and ramifications of Greens' policies, or is it the climate change enthusiasts feeling they want even more influence from the Greens?
 
Julia said:
This is quite peculiar, given the presumed reason for Gillard's huge fall in popularity is the Greens' policy of a carbon tax.
What's going on here? Is this just further evidence of total disgust with both the major parties on the part of people who either can't be bothered to think any further about the reality and ramifications of Greens' policies, or is it the climate change enthusiasts feeling they want even more influence from the Greens?
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The reality is that the carban tax hasn't been brought out and the coalition scaremongering will look quite different once the policy is out. You speak of reality but we don't know what this is yet.

Gillard has shown that she can break promises so deserves to lose support.
The Greens have been consistent and so will keep garnering Labor supporters.

As I said earlier, I think this policy will be Abbott's Waterloo.
 
Knobby22 said:
The reality is that the carban tax hasn't been brought out and the coalition scaremongering will look quite different once the policy is out. You speak of reality but we don't know what this is yet.

Gillard has shown that she can break promises so deserves to lose support.
The Greens have been consistent and so will keep garnering Labor supporters.

As I said earlier, I think this policy will be Abbott's Waterloo.
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Gee, I have to agree with you whole heartedly there Knobby.


I don't know about the knives coming out (from Rudd) for Gillard... she has effectively fallen on her own sword.

The ALP will be looking for some fertile ground to get back some popularity and seats and I reckon Qld and Rudd are about their last chance for a win.

The support for a leader (Rudd) not from the traditional factions from the southern states was the overwhelming factor for Rudds big win. With his popularity on the rise again he is probably the best chance Labor has to retain power.

If any of the southern states come up with the next leader, you can bet the ALP vote from Qld will be down again... because many Qldérs resent being ruled by factions from the southern states... and ensure a Labor loss.
 
Julia said:
Well, that won't happen, at least in the immediate future. If they were to go, who do you suggest should replace them? Would you like to see all Kev's dreams come true and have him back as Dear Leader prior to his appointment to the UN?
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I don't have a clue really. I can't think of anyone in either party with enough authority to win popular support. It won't be Rudd. He is only looking good in comparison to Gillard, and the Qld vote in the poll would have been a big factor in this.

I guess the newspaper cartoonists will decide when it is time for Gillard to go. When they really start putting the boot in as they are with Julia, then you've had it.

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Knobby22 said:
As I said earlier, I think this policy will be Abbott's Waterloo.
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Abbott may get wedged through his own policy on climate change (its a tax and open ended) with 2 years or more to the next election could well harm him.

This of course if labor can prosecute their argument which they have done so far woefully
 
Whiskers said:
The support for a leader (Rudd) not from the traditional factions from the southern states was the overwhelming factor for Rudds big win. With his popularity on the rise again he is probably the best chance Labor has to retain power.

If any of the southern states come up with the next leader, you can bet the ALP vote from Qld will be down again... because many Qldérs resent being ruled by factions from the southern states... and ensure a Labor loss.
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Whiskers, if the ALP were to dump Gillard and reinstate Rudd, they would be the laughing stock of the country. The multiple backflips thus far would be nothing in comparison.

Did anyone see the interview on "7.30" this evening with Ms Gillard by Chris Urhlman?
I've been looking forward to his return and he started off well enough.
But imo she won the interview purely on the basis of her capacity to out talk him.
She said nothing remotely useful of course, but it's disappointing to think the ABC's best political journalist couldn't have struck a few more blows. Instead he looked a bit pathetic.
 
Julia said:
Whiskers, if the ALP were to dump Gillard and reinstate Rudd, they would be the laughing stock of the country. The multiple backflips thus far would be nothing in comparison.

Did anyone see the interview on "7.30" this evening with Ms Gillard by Chris Urhlman?
I've been looking forward to his return and he started off well enough.
But imo she won the interview purely on the basis of her capacity to out talk him.
She said nothing remotely useful of course, but it's disappointing to think the ABC's best political journalist couldn't have struck a few more blows. Instead he looked a bit pathetic.
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Well Julia, Chris Uhlman would no doubt be restricted by the ABC lefties as to what he can or cannot say. If he he went against the tide, his job would be in jeopardy. You must know by now how the ABC operates with their biased attitude.
 
noco said:
Well Julia, Chris Uhlman would no doubt be restricted by the ABC lefties as to what he can or cannot say. If he he went against the tide, his job would be in jeopardy. You must know by now how the ABC operates with their biased attitude.
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From a bloke who eats fish and chips everyday wrapped in the Australian print :D
choose your own bias
 
Julia said:
Whiskers, if the ALP were to dump Gillard and reinstate Rudd, they would be the laughing stock of the country. The multiple backflips thus far would be nothing in comparison.
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Yeah, it would be quite embarrasing for the Party machine and particularly Gillard her plotters and supporters, but most importantly I think the hard line labor supporters will go along with it and probably more swinging voters are warming to the idea. So long as they get the numbers they won't care what the rest think.

I tipped a Rudd comeback at the time because Gillard had set herself up on a pretty pointy pinnacle where she had a narrow path to walk and balance to maintain public confidence... the arguement of policy change and early election for a mandate, a very definate and unretreatable position where she has now lost her balance and betrayed the whole premise for her coup and been quite arrogent about it.

Again from a purely logical, tactical view, Labor has to shore up support from Qld in particular and go with a leader who, if not Rudd, someone who will appease more swing voters from Qld in particular who want a strong principled leader not aligned to southern state factions. My read between the lines of the Polls is these are the main issues detracting from labor support.

That being the case, strategicaly they ought to take advantage of a less than strong opposition leader and eat some humble pie now to sack Gillard and reinstall Rudd on the premise that Gillard 'renegged and failed to deliver' or another non aligned credible person otherwise they will go hungry on the back benches for a long time again. I think while the public would have a little laugh, they would see that as a desperately needed vote of confidence in the integrity of the party machine acting in Australias best interest to sack a 'hijacker' in a 'righteous' disguise.

But realistically for the time being I think the odds are still with the parasitic factional strategists to win the day for their own self interest and blindly kill off Labour as a force again right across the nation and hand a less than 'best' opposition leader government in a protest vote.
 
Nice cartoon from Calliope. I can't supply a shred of evidence to back this up,
but I'd speculate that behind closed doors the ALP have turned the hatch rate on Combet up to max.

Watch Kerry O'Brien from here. His attitude to Gillard will be the signal.
 
The Old Farmer was so right about julia I must post it again. I am sure that many of you will agree with the old farmer!

YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE THIS FARMER'S OUTLOOK ......

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While suturing up a cut on the hand of a 75 year old farmer, whose hand had been caught in the gate while working his cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

Eventually the topic got around to Julia Gillard, and her being our prime minister.

The old farmer said, "Well, ya know, Julia is just a Post Tortoise."

Now not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked,

What's a "Post Tortoise?"

The old farmer said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a Tortoise balanced on top, that's a post Tortoise."

The old farmer saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain.

"You know she didn't get up there by herself, she doesn't belong up there, she doesn't know what to do while she's up there, she sure as hell isn't goin' anywhere, and you just wonder what kind of dumb bastard put her up there in the first place."
 
Logique said:
Nice cartoon from Calliope. I can't supply a shred of evidence to back this up,
but I'd speculate that behind closed doors the ALP have turned the hatch rate on Combet up to max.

Watch Kerry O'Brien from here. His attitude to Gillard will be the signal.
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Logique, I'm not up with the expression "turned the hatch rate". What does it mean?
I haven't seen K. O'Brien since he retired. Where is he these days?
 
Logique said:
Nice cartoon from Calliope. I can't supply a shred of evidence to back this up,
but I'd speculate that behind closed doors the ALP have turned the hatch rate on Combet up to max.

Watch Kerry O'Brien from here. His attitude to Gillard will be the signal.
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From what I have been hearing from union associates, Combet is being groomed for the future top position.
Rudd will never get in again. He burnt all his bridges within the parties’ powerbase (even those who supported him to get the top job).
The labor right faction is fed up with the pandering to the leftie latte drinking tree huggers and ignoring their blue collar base. Shacking up with the greens is destroying their support throughout labor strongholds. Gillard is toast imo and the battle within labor at the moment is to bring the party back to center.
 
Julia said:
Logique, I'm not up with the expression "turned the hatch rate". What does it mean?
I haven't seen K. O'Brien since he retired. Where is he these days?
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The cartoon above says 'cooked' in the cloning vat, I thought 'hatched' was a bit kinder. Kerry O'Brien does a monologue introducing Four Corners, but some interview cameos would not surprise.
 
The cost of Julia Gillard's plan for a carbon price will not be included in the May Budget, keeping households and businesses in the dark about the impact of the proposal on the Government's bottom line.

The office of Treasurer Wayne Swan has confirmed to The West Australian that because of the uncertainty over the final design of the proposal, including the ultimate price per tonne of carbon, Mr Swan will not unveil any of the major costings behind the tax. It leaves a major question mark over the 2012-13 Budget - when the carbon price is due to start - and whether the Government may get a Budget surplus boost from the tax once it becomes operational.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/8975343/carbon-tax-to-be-left-out-of-budget/

WTF ??? NO seriously WTF??? We have a government hell bent on bringing in a new carbon pricing scheme but cannot put any figures on it to tie on with their own budget??

OMFG - WAKE UP AUSTRALIA !
 

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