The Gillard Government

[bunyip]

With Labor, both the leader and the brand now stink. Another leader, whether it be Kevin Rudd or anyone doesn't change the odour of the brand.

Labor would lose regardless.

I'd like to think you and Calliope are right.

Rudd as leader would at least narrow the gap, which is just what we don't want - we need the socialist red ragger bastards to fall even further behind.
The best chance of that happening is if they keep Gillard as leader.

I still think they're stuffed at the next election no matter what they do. I just don't want to see them being encouraged to make any moves that are even remotely likely to increase their support.

 

[drsmith]

I'd like to think you and Calliope are right.

Rudd as leader would at least narrow the gap, which is just what we don't want - we need the socialist red ragger bastards to fall even further behind.
The best chance of that happening is if they keep Gillard as leader.

I still think they're stuffed at the next election no matter what they do. I just don't want to see them being encouraged to make any moves that are even remotely likely to increase their support.

I'm actually caught between two hats here.

With one on, I'd just like to see them soundly out of office ASAP for the sake of the country regardless of who is leader.

With the other, I'd like to see them burned and buried and will enjoy the entertainment the process provides in the meantime.

If it goes full term though, I doubt Julia Gillard will still be at the helm regardless. There's still over 5km of the electoral cycle marathon to go and she's broken both legs.

The ideal in my view would be an early poll with Julia Gillard struggling for the line on her hands.

 

[Calliope]

I'm actually caught between two hats here.

With one on, I'd just like to see them soundly out of office ASAP for the sake of the country regardless of who is leader.

With the other, I'd like to see them burned and buried and will enjoy the entertainment the process provides in the meantime.

If it goes full term though, I doubt Julia Gillard will still be at the helm regardless. There's still over 5km of the electoral cycle marathon to go and she's broken both legs.

The ideal in my view would be an early poll with Julia Gillard struggling for the line on her hands.

A election before 3 August 2013 would not be in the Coalition's interests.

However, given the government would likely lose any early election, the complications would all be for the Coalition, not the Labor Party.

An early election would be about preventing the Coalition getting control of the Senate at an election in late 2013. It would also be about locking a first term Coalition government into an election in 2014, and perhaps even cutting short its second term.

Section 13 of the Constuitution means that any election held before 3 August 2013 would be for the House of Representatives and the four Territory Senators. There cannot be a half-Senate election for state Senators before August 2013, and even then, the new Senators elected would not take their seats until 1 July 2014.

This is one reason why over the next year you may hear much less of the Coalition calling for an immediate election.

A Coalition government coming to office at an early election would not only face a hostile Senate. It would also have to deal with another consequence of Section 13 of the Constitution, a requirement to hold a half-Senate election by the end of May 2014

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http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2012/09/which-party-wants-an-early-election.html

 

[drsmith]

A election before 3 August 2013 would not be in the Coalition's interests.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2012/09/which-party-wants-an-early-election.html

I hadn't thought of that.

It makes me wonder what Julia Gillard will actually do.

 

[Bintang]

I hadn't thought of that.

It makes me wonder what Julia Gillard will actually do.

That's an easy question to answer.
Julia Gillard will do whatever is in her own personal best interest.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Peter Garrett, one of Julia Gillard's loyalists has decided to gut high school education in Victoria, in a forlorn attempt to put this budget in to surplus.

Young people's future matter little to this ALP Hierarchy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/garrett-attacks-baillieu-plan-to-go-it-alone-on-gonski-reforms/story-fn59nlz9-1226584131166

As foreshadowed in The Weekend Australian today, Mr Baillieu unveiled a plan, to be phased in from next year, that he says will deliver more than $400 million in additional funding to Victorian schools every year.

The Victorian move came as the federal government opted for a gradual model for increasing school funding, allocating only $1 billion of the Gonski review's proposed $6.5bn annual increase next year.

Mr Baillieu said today that the state would do a better job for its own education system than the commonwealth's one-size-fits-all approach.

gg

 

[drsmith]

That's an easy question to answer.
Julia Gillard will do whatever is in her own personal best interest.

Then she'll call the election before August 3.

 

[Julia]

That's an easy question to answer.
Julia Gillard will do whatever is in her own personal best interest.

Agree. If she concludes she is gone anyway, she might prefer to do it with timing that leaves the incoming Abbott government with a hostile Senate.

However, if she were to do that, she will be further trashing what remains of her political capital, especially with the Independents to whom she guaranteed to run full term.

If it were to happen, then I believe Abbott will call a double dissolution election. The electorate, already thoroughly fed up with all things political, will be unhappy about that, and disposed to punish the Coalition.

Anything could happen.
Best for the Coalition is to avoid encouraging either a return of Rudd or an early election.

 

[drsmith]

If it were to happen, then I believe Abbott will call a double dissolution election.

He would give what's left of Labor a hell of a lot of stick first to try and bring them to their senses.

 

[noco]

Agree. If she concludes she is gone anyway, she might prefer to do it with timing that leaves the incoming Abbott government with a hostile Senate.

However, if she were to do that, she will be further trashing what remains of her political capital, especially with the Independents to whom she guaranteed to run full term.

If it were to happen, then I believe Abbott will call a double dissolution election. The electorate, already thoroughly fed up with all things political, will be unhappy about that, and disposed to punish the Coalition.

Anything could happen.
Best for the Coalition is to avoid encouraging either a return of Rudd or an early election.

Julia, I don't see anywhere, where in recent times the coalition is encouraging a return of Rudd or an early election. There is really nothing to avoid. Abbott is quite content to sit back and watch Labor self destruct.

It is certainly not in the interest of the coalition to have an election before the 3rd August as it would create too many problems concerning the senate.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Agree. If she concludes she is gone anyway, she might prefer to do it with timing that leaves the incoming Abbott government with a hostile Senate.

However, if she were to do that, she will be further trashing what remains of her political capital, especially with the Independents to whom she guaranteed to run full term.

If it were to happen, then I believe Abbott will call a double dissolution election. The electorate, already thoroughly fed up with all things political, will be unhappy about that, and disposed to punish the Coalition.

Anything could happen.
Best for the Coalition is to avoid encouraging either a return of Rudd or an early election.

Vive la revolution!!

Oh, wait. We live in Nanny Land. Do as you are told now children. That's right. Run along and play now.... :1zhelp:

 

[dutchie]

It seems strange that the MSM has not reported on one of the recommendations of the Gonski report.

Item 512.: We highly recommend that Craig Emerson repeats Primary school (we have assumed
that he has done it at least once).

The validity of this item was reinforced recently when Emerson was quoted as saying:
“……Tony Abbott’s relentless negativity, is relentless “

However we should give Emerson his dues, as he is only trying to follow the Labor script that was outlaid to him in a statement circulated to all Labor ministers.

“Look, we have no successful policies we can use in our promotion and we feel that is best if we use all our resources to state that Tony Abbott is relentlessly negative. So go forth and spread the message! (it’s our only chance)”

 

[explod]

“Look, we have no successful policies we can use in our promotion and we feel that is best if we use all our resources to state that Tony Abbott is relentlessly negative. So go forth and spread the message! (it’s our only chance)”

I have no time for Labor, they have lost all credibility and the plot whatever that was in the maze.

But I cannot accept that they would issue a communique to members in that wording. I believe you are putting up unsubstantiated propoganda.

 

[dutchie]

I have no time for Labor, they have lost all credibility and the plot whatever that was in the maze.

But I cannot accept that they would issue a communique to members in that wording. I believe you are putting up unsubstantiated propoganda.

Sorry explod but you misunderstood.

The whole post, like the government, is a joke.

 

[noco]

I have no time for Labor, they have lost all credibility and the plot whatever that was in the maze.

But I cannot accept that they would issue a communique to members in that wording. I believe you are putting up unsubstantiated propoganda.

Wake up explod!!!!! The Labor MPs get their parrott lines issued to them every day or haven't you observed?

You have to listen to various interviews on the media to pick up on that one.

 

[bunyip]

A mate was telling me that the ALP in WA have told Gillard to stay away from WA in the run up to that state’s election in a couple of weeks.
I wonder why??? LOL

 

[bunyip]

Can anyone tell me...........Now that Gillard has announced the election date in September, is she at liberty to change to a different date if she chooses?

 

[Country Lad]

Can anyone tell me...........Now that Gillard has announced the election date in September, is she at liberty to change to a different date if she chooses?

Yes

 

[MrBurns]

From another forum -

email circular going around...

Did you know the following ? About the : Federal Minister for Health :

While Gillard and her ministers throw allegations around that Tony Abbott might have punched a wall 36 years ago, Federal Labor Health Minister Tanya Plibersek's husband, Michael Coutts-Trotter's past is on the record. Very few of the general voting public would know who Plibersek's husband is - let alone know of his past criminal activity. Coutts-Trotter was a heroin addict and drug importer and dealer. 27 years ago he copped a nine year jail sentence, for his efforts. Gillard should throw the dirt files away or a lot worse could be heaped on her and her grubby government's criminal past and links with crime.

It is on the record that the Federal Minister for Health's Plibersek’s husband received a 9-year gaol sentence for conspiracy to import and sell drugs. He was convicted in 1986. Only 12 years later he was appointed Chief of Staff to the NSW Treasurer in the days of the Carr NSW government having no experience apart from some training in journalism .

He was, also under Labor, the Director-General of Education & Training (Labor must consider drug dealing a good background for the head of education) and earlier still, Director-General of Dept of Commerce.

And in case you think this is some more bull**** check out Wikipedia. How would the Canberra press handle a comment on this bloke? Oh, I forgot, he is a journalist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Coutts-Trotter

 

[drsmith]

Tomorrow's Newspoll will be interesting.

Essential Media now has the Coalition at 56% 2PP.

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

From another forum -

I hope the coalition stay away from this sort of stuff, unless it's an actual member and the evidence is strong.

The Coalition's role now is to argue its case as an alternative government.