The Gillard Government

[drsmith]

This Fairfax online poll might send them into a spin,

http://www.smh.com.au/polls/opinion/politics/labors-poll-pain-20130218-2elsv.html#poll

Vote Labor/Likely to vote Labor stands at 18%. 30688 votes counted.

 

[noco]

More importantly, the whole of the ALP think Aussies are stupid.

Why else would they continue to spin, spin, spin. Everything is Abbott's fault. They are not to blame for anything!

(At least Paul Howes admits his mistake)

Yes and the Labor parrots have been brainwashed with the same lines whenver they are interviewed.

"ABBOT IS WRAPPED UP IN COTTON WOOL AND WON'T ATTEND PRESS INTERVIEWS". Does this sound familiar?

Can you blame him for steering clear of the biased ABC?

Have you ever seen Gillard or Swan on the popular Bolt report on Sundays? I wonder why/

 

[drsmith]

This Fairfax online poll might send them into a spin,

http://www.smh.com.au/polls/opinion/politics/labors-poll-pain-20130218-2elsv.html#poll

Vote Labor/Likely to vote Labor stands at 18%. 30688 votes counted.

Interesting change.

Vote Labor/Likely to vote Labor stands at 30%, 42235 votes counted. This means that 62% of the 11547 voters between the two counts would vote Labor/Likely to vote Labor.

Coull someone please pass the salt.

 

[dutchie]

Interesting change.

Vote Labor/Likely to vote Labor stands at 30%, 42235 votes counted. This means that 62% of the 11547 voters between the two counts would vote Labor/Likely to vote Labor.

Coull someone please pass the salt.

Yes, more likely to vote Labor 23%
Yes, more likely to vote Liberal/National 15%
Yes, more likely to vote Greens/other 3%
No, still voting Labor 11%
No, still voting Liberal/National 38%
No, still voting Greens/other 10%

Total votes: 46804.

 

[drsmith]

On the latest Essential poll, Labor has improved slightly.

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

I don't know how.

 

[noco]

And "DUMB AND DUMBER" have the audacity to say every thing is alright.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...k-hole-in-budget/story-fn7078da-1226579834717

 

[IFocus]

And now Ross Gittens blames Abbott for the mining tax failure because...get this...Abbott was polling better and because labor were afraid of what Abbott would say. Goodness, that's never stopped them before from passing carbon tax, running up massive debt, losing control of our borders and any other laws generally unwanted by the majority of Aussies.

Wasn't Abbott just doing his job as opposition leader? Unbelievable "the dog ate my homework" excuse..totally lame...

An excerpt from the link below:



I am still shaking my head in disbelief - does Gittens really think Aussies are so stupid?

http://www.smh.com.au/business/abbott-must-share-the-blame-for-tax-stuffup-20130217-2el60.html

The kindest thing that can be said about that article is that perhaps he thinks that there should have been bipartisanship on the issue.

How though can there bipartisanship when the government negotiated with the big three miners purely from the context of its own political survival ?

Perhaps Ross just doesn't like a strong opposition.

Your bias is extraordinary Gittens lays the blame squarely on the government he just makes the point that the big reforms received bipartisan support Abbott has failed on this front.

 

[sails]

Your bias is extraordinary Gittens lays the blame squarely on the government he just makes the point that the big reforms received bipartisan support Abbott has failed on this front.

LOL - this is the title of his article: Abbott must share the blame for tax stuff-upl

I still say it is pretty lame to try to blame Abbott because he was doing his job as opposition leader AND because he was polling better.

And, as I said before, neither of these two factors have stopped Gillard passing whatever legislation she has wanted even when it has been against the will of the majority of Aussies, such as carbon tax, border policy and massive debt. Labor raised the debt ceiling - I don't think they would have cared two hoots what Abbott said or thought.

As usual, just more of "the dog ate my homework" type excuses while trying to make Abbott look like the bad guy.

Won't work...Aussies are waking up to this...

 

[drsmith]

Gittens lays the blame squarely on the government he just makes the point that the big reforms received bipartisan support Abbott has failed on this front.

bipartisanship could have been on no resources super profit tax, which ironically, is about what we've ended up with.

It's a pity though that Labor's spent the money.

 

[sptrawler]

Your bias is extraordinary Gittens lays the blame squarely on the government he just makes the point that the big reforms received bipartisan support Abbott has failed on this front.

Why anyone would read Gittin, is beyond me, most of the time it's incoherent ramblings.
Much like some of us on the forum.lol

 

[sails]

An interesting look back to an article I posted on the 4th July 2010 in the "Mining Tax Grab" thread...

Some excerpts from the article link below from the miners who attended the meeting (bolds are mine):

…What we were especially amazed at was the level of sheer naivete and incompetence. The grasp of fundamental economics -- more specifically commercial reality -- was barely past what you learn in year 12 at high school.…

...The chief executives arrived at that day's negotiations with their finance teams, each two and three-strong. They expected to be shown Treasury's modelling, and arrived with their own internal numbers to demonstrate the impacts on the tax on a range of commodities. But Treasury "refused" the opportunity of show and tell. "It was an absolute farce...

…In the end the miners were not provided with Treasury's modelling until last Wednesday. These were the numbers that, according one insider, had come from "planet Mars"…

…”They had made it up and had no idea how to back it up. It was like sitting university professors down to lecture primary school students," one of the miners' advisers claimed yesterday…

Full article: Treasury tarnished by turn of events over mining super tax

 

[sptrawler]

An interesting look back to an article I posted on the 4th July 2010 in the "Mining Tax Grab" thread...

Some excerpts from the article link below from the miners who attended the meeting (bolds are mine):


Full article: Treasury tarnished by turn of events over mining super tax

One has to wonder about the motives of the people involved.

Sometimes the end, justifies the means.
All the plebs have, is a belief in karma.

 

[sails]

One has to wonder about the motives of the people involved.

I don't know about motives - it looks like Swan and treasury simply had no idea going by that article.

 

[banco]

I don't know about motives - it looks like Swan and treasury simply had no idea going by that article.

Treasury was excluded from the talks. My understanding is all of the figures etc. were been done by political advisers in Gillard's/Swan's office who simply didn't have the expertise needed to negotiate on an even footing with the miners.

 

[sptrawler]

Treasury was excluded from the talks. My understanding is all of the figures etc. were been done by political advisers in Gillard's/Swan's office who simply didn't have the expertise needed to negotiate on an even footing with the miners.

Which would lead to the result.
Everyone got the outcome they wanted. Wouldn't it?

 

[sptrawler]

As a Freo Docker supporter.
Is Kev being set up for the "Ole Heave Ho".

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/beware-knives-of-march-20130218-2enj0.html

Jeez it's not nice in the snake pit.

This is all great theatre, it will be a magic mini series.

 

[sptrawler]

Even the SMH has started running with it, definitely storm clouds ahead for Labor.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/final-nail-in-pms-coffin-20130218-2end2.html#poll

I suppose the SMH have realised, the majority think Labor are on the nose, if they keep printing content that conflicts with the buyer, circulation will suffer.

 

[sails]

Even the SMH has started running with it, definitely storm clouds ahead for Labor.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/final-nail-in-pms-coffin-20130218-2end2.html#poll

I suppose the SMH have realised, the majority think Labor are on the nose, if they keep printing content that conflicts with the buyer, circulation will suffer.

Took them long enough to work that one out. Meanwhile Fairfax's share price has been plummeting since 2006 - you would think they would have done something about it long ago.

 

[dutchie]

Bill Ludwig - another union leader at the trough of the Union funds.

The AWU paid a $45,000 legal bill for Ludwig's private (non union) matter.

Union members at the conference love this sort of stuff.

 

[IFocus]

LOL - this is the title of his article: Abbott must share the blame for tax stuff-upl

I still say it is pretty lame to try to blame Abbott because he was doing his job as opposition leader AND because he was polling better.

And, as I said before, neither of these two factors have stopped Gillard passing whatever legislation she has wanted even when it has been against the will of the majority of Aussies, such as carbon tax, border policy and massive debt. Labor raised the debt ceiling - I don't think they would have cared two hoots what Abbott said or thought.

As usual, just more of "the dog ate my homework" type excuses while trying to make Abbott look like the bad guy.

Won't work...Aussies are waking up to this...

Maybe you missed this bit

And it brings us to the mining tax. Let me be crystal clear about this: Labor has made an almighty hash of the minerals resource rent tax, revealing an abysmal level of political nous, moral courage and administrative competence.

It failed to release the Henry tax reform report for discussion well before announcing its decisions (thereby catching the miners unawares), failed to explain an utterly mystifying tax measure (and, before that, press Treasury to come up with something more intuitive).

It failed to stop the entire business community joining the miners' crusade against the tax, failed to counter the economic nonsense the miners peddled in their TV ad campaign, and failed to hold its own in the negotiations with the big three miners, allowing them to turn the tax into a policy dog's breakfast that, at least in its early years, would raise next to nothing.

In all this Kevin Rudd has to take much of the blame (for lacking the courage to release the Henry report early), Wayne Swan has to take much of the blame (for not putting Treasury through its paces and being so weak at explaining the tax) and Julia Gillard has to take much of the blame (for decapitating Rudd and then being so desperate to rush to an election she was prepared to agree to anything the miners demanded, without proper Treasury scrutiny).
After all that, Labor deserves no mercy

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/abbo...tax-stuffup-20130217-2el60.html#ixzz2LKWZQfU7