The Gillard Government

sptrawler · 27 August 2012

I think internal objective polling will still come up with, labor are toast. These news polls are geared to get the result the newspaper wants, load the questions and focus your target group.
IMO labor will be creamed, hammered, destroyed.
They can use the sympathetic press as much as they like, however the mass has made its decission.IMO

Thinking they can hoodwink 5 years of disasters by sitting on their hands for the 6th year, is just immature politics. The electorate has moved on from that, thanks to the internet, now all someone has to do is google labor stuff ups.

On a side note it is interesting how Labor have given the Greens and the three amigos the flick.LOL
Probably don't want to be seen as a major party that was beaten into submission by a minor parties.LOL
Jeez it would be nice to politically incorrect and call them Bob's #itches, but you couldn't be that cruel.LOL
Enjoy your retirement Bob, you made an @itch of the @itch.

kwaka1 · 27 August 2012

"despite variable political stances is a the capacity to capture the people's attention through their oratory. What do you think got Barack Obama into power? Hardly his capacity to fix the nation's economic woes!"

Julia, this may be one of the problems facing the voting public over the last 10-15 years. A person who is very good at public speaking, eg B Obama, our own K Rudd, Bob Hawke perhaps, who can gain the attention of "joe public", without having any other necessary skills to lead, guide, manage people or a business. The government is a business.

Tony Abbott must very very careful with his statements or he will be seen as someone who does not like to see a woman in power. Many comments are reported about this issue.

I wish to see "someone" in the role of leader of Australia who can manage their political partners, overseer roles of health, education, infrastructure and, to be controversial, our border protection. They do not need to be a media person (as much as the public expects this), but someone who has the support, ability to help formulate decisions and garner approval from their "board of directors".

sptrawler · 27 August 2012

kwaka1 said:
Tony Abbott must very very careful with his statements or he will be seen as someone who does not like to see a woman in power. Many comments are reported about this issue.

I wish to see "someone" in the role of leader of Australia who can manage their political partners, overseer roles of health, education, infrastructure and, to be controversial, our border protection. They do not need to be a media person (as much as the public expects this), but someone who has the support, ability to help formulate decisions and garner approval from their "board of directors".

Yes kwaka1, Julia and labor have managed their political partners well and Tony Abbott, according to labor, has a problem with women. I hope the election goes well also.

drsmith · 27 August 2012

Julia said:
It's a forum. People agree and disagree all the time. I cannot suddenly become a Tony Abbott fan just because it would make you and a few other people happier. Wish I could.

The Nielsen poll out today suggests I'm not the only voter less than happy with Mr Abbott.

I'll take the above hyperbole a little further and suggest that no one has asked you to worship him at the alter.

I think you'll catch my drift.

sptrawler said:
Yes kwaka1, Julia and labor have managed their political partners well and Tony Abbott, according to labor, has a problem with women. I hope the election goes well also.

In one sense, I hope the next Newspoll comes out 50/50 2PP.

It might just tempt her.

Logique · 28 August 2012

kwaka1 said:
"despite variable political stances is a the capacity to capture the people's attention through their oratory. What do you think got Barack Obama into power? Hardly his capacity to fix the nation's economic woes!"

Julia, this may be one of the problems facing the voting public over the last 10-15 years. A person who is very good at public speaking, eg B Obama, our own K Rudd, Bob Hawke perhaps, who can gain the attention of "joe public", without having any other necessary skills to lead, guide, manage people or a business. The government is a business.

Tony Abbott must very very careful with his statements or he will be seen as someone who does not like to see a woman in power. Many comments are reported about this issue.

I wish to see "someone" in the role of leader of Australia who can manage their political partners, overseer roles of health, education, infrastructure and, to be controversial, our border protection. They do not need to be a media person (as much as the public expects this), but someone who has the support, ability to help formulate decisions and garner approval from their "board of directors".

Agreed, fine sentiments. I wonder if Gail Kelly is available, although she'd have to take a pay cut, i.e., there are plenty of talented executives out there, of both genders, but the private sector soon snaps them up.

DB008 · 28 August 2012

How a lot of the public feel.

This oldie has the right attitude. The question she really should have asked right then and there was, "how will our CO2 output and putting a 'Carbon Tax' on it, make any difference on a global scale, when China increased it's CO2 emissions more than out total output last year?"

dutchie · 28 August 2012

Logique said:
but the private sector soon snaps them up.

and parliament is left with the dregs.

Miss Hale · 28 August 2012

DB008 said:
How a lot of the public feel.

This oldie has the right attitude. The question she really should have asked right then and there was, "how will our CO2 output and putting a 'Carbon Tax' on it, make any difference on a global scale, when China increased it's CO2 emissions more than out total output last year?"

That clip is interesting. Does anyone else think Gillard was being incredibly patronising the way she kept patting that lady on the arm in a kind of "There, there dear" way. Would she have patted a man on the arm in the same situation? How would people/the media react if it was Abbott patting someone on the arm when answering a question? (especially a woman!)

Calliope · 28 August 2012

Liberal premiers on the slide: Newspoll

JULIA Gillard's war with the states will be spurred by Newspoll surveys showing voters are unhappy with Ted Baillieu in Victoria and Barry O'Farrell in NSW..

Has anyone noticed that Nicholson now draws Julia with one shoe? A fine touch.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ers-on-the-slide/story-e6frgczx-1226459381618

sptrawler · 28 August 2012

drsmith said:
In one sense, I hope the next Newspoll comes out 50/50 2PP.

It might just tempt her.

+1 that would be great. With their track record, there is no chance there won't be a major stuff up in the next 12 months.
Also the greens have gone amazingly quite, even Rob Oakeshott can't get his face in the paper.
By the way has anyone seen Windsor or Wilkie around.LOL They've had their 15minutes of glory, maybe checking out what vocational training is available.

drsmith · 28 August 2012

sptrawler said:
+1 that would be great. With their track record, there is no chance there won't be a major stuff up in the next 12 months.
Also the greens have gone amazingly quite, even Rob Oakeshott can't get his face in the paper.
By the way has anyone seen Windsor or Wilkie around.LOL They've had their 15minutes of glory, maybe checking out what vocational training is available.

http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

Perhaps still slightly beyond temptation for our dear Julia.

white_goodman · 28 August 2012

drsmith said:
http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

Perhaps still slightly beyond temptation for our dear Julia.

ill trust the judgement of betting markets then 1800 people who have no financial stake in their decision... polls arent that useful imo

drsmith · 28 August 2012

My response to that poll was tounge in cheek.

It essentially hasn't changed.

sails · 28 August 2012

drsmith said:
My response to that poll was tounge in cheek.

It essentially hasn't changed.

Agree - the primary votes are exactly the same as last week and yet they alter the 2pp? I wonder how they work their preferences?

It says this: "The two-party preferred estimate is calculated by distributing the votes of the other parties according to their preferences at the 2010 election."

If that's so, then why isn't the 2pp the same as last week as well? Strange...

sptrawler · 28 August 2012

sptrawler said:
+1 that would be great. With their track record, there is no chance there won't be a major stuff up in the next 12 months.
Also the greens have gone amazingly quite, even Rob Oakeshott can't get his face in the paper.
By the way has anyone seen Windsor or Wilkie around.LOL They've had their 15minutes of glory, maybe checking out what vocational training is available.

Jeez drsmith, I should have waited 4 hours, they have blown their feet off with the carbon tax fiasco.
Now I know why we haven't heard from the rest of the circus, they were being briefed on the carbon tax fallout and resultant backflip.
It must have gone something like "well we can hold the line and decimate Australian Industry, or we can backflip because we are are a bunch of dicks"
Show of hands, the dicks have it.LOL,LOL

drsmith · 28 August 2012

sails said:
Agree - the primary votes are exactly the same as last week and yet they alter the 2pp? I wonder how they work their preferences?

It says this: "The two-party preferred estimate is calculated by distributing the votes of the other parties according to their preferences at the 2010 election."

If that's so, then why isn't the 2pp the same as last week as well? Strange...

Rounding I would think.

sptrawler said:
Jeez drsmith, I should have waited 4 hours, they have blown their feet off with the carbon tax fiasco.
Now I know why we haven't heard from the rest of the circus, they were being briefed on the carbon tax fallout and resultant backflip.
It must have gone something like "well we can hold the line and decimate Australian Industry, or we can backflip because we are are a bunch of dicks"
Show of hands, the dicks have it.LOL,LOL

Even Nielsen only gave Labor a 2% boost.

From where they stand, it's essentially a last meal before being sent to the gallows.

Calliope · 29 August 2012

Q. Who does this remind you of?

Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee, said Mr Obama has "never run a company. He hasn't even run a garage sale or seen the inside of a lemonade stand."

A. Gillard and her front bench. With their union and lawyer backgrounds, all their expertise is in spending other peoples moneys...ripping off union members and taxpayers.

sails · 29 August 2012

Michael Smith has updates and copies of more documents on this site. I sometimes think "if this were Abbott instead of Gillard - wouldn't it be treated with absolute shock/horror from the left and calls for him to be unfit for office?" And yet the left seem to brush this under the carpet because it's Gillard. Unbelievable.

Here's the link to Michael Smith's site: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/

sptrawler · 29 August 2012

I love the new dental scheme announced by the government.
Apparently the last one was being rorted, well why didn't change it? They have been in office for nearly six years.
No they are going to put in place a new system, there is a catch, it's after the next election.LOL,LOL
Priceless.

drsmith · 29 August 2012

sptrawler said:
No they are going to put in place a new system, there is a catch, it's after the next election.LOL,LOL
Priceless.

Desperate stuff by a desperate government.

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