The Gillard Government

[white_goodman]

Immediate effect ??

Labor's digging a hole for itself there.

it shows the level of understanding, we wont be feeling the effects till next year, more around election time.. the notion of time-lag seems absent in their thinking. Also even if unemployment went down under the carbon tax, it means nothing if unemployment would have gone further down without it, people often cannot dissect whether something happens because of a certain policy or despite it..

 

[sptrawler]

TA commented on this in a press conferenct the following day.

To me, the bigger issue for him was how he tied himself into exaggeration and contradictions than what he said specifically. When the Olympic Dam announcement was made by BHP, he could have commented about the impact of Labor's taxed on the viability of resources projects in general without referring specifically to BHP's announcement. If Labor then came after him, he could have then pointed out Labor's contradiction to Marius Kloppers after his London speech of the impact on iron ore. That does require a level of hindsight, or perhaps close enough contact between TA's staff and BHP itself.

Otherwise, he could have simply showed more discression in the battles he fights, said nothing about Olympic Dam and then jumped on Marius Kloppers comments about coal. Either way, he would have looked much better than he did.

That's all well and good doc, however if someone has set you up, it can be hard to swim against the tide. That is unless you can BS on the run like Gillard, it must be horrific for the males who work with her.LOL,LOL,LOL
Bowen allways looks like he has just changed a $hitty nappy, I allways feel sorry for the poor guy.LOL He looks like he is going to start crying , like Albenese. Christ life must be hard under the "Chicks".LOL,LOL

 

[drsmith]

He threw himself into the river to swim against the current where it was strongest. It may not have been obvious at the surface, but he needs to be smarter than that with what he says.

I feel sorry for Chris Bowen. Perhaps he should change sides. They do that in the NT.

 

[sptrawler]

He threw himself into the river to swim against the current where it was strongest. It may not have been obvious at the surface, but he needs to be smarter than that with what he says.

I feel sorry for Chris Bowen. Perhaps he should change sides. They do that in the NT.

Yes he does need to get some tuition a lot of role play and sharpen the attack.

 

[Julia]

it shows the level of understanding, we wont be feeling the effects till next year, more around election time.. the notion of time-lag seems absent in their thinking. Also even if unemployment went down under the carbon tax, it means nothing if unemployment would have gone further down without it, people often cannot dissect whether something happens because of a certain policy or despite it..

Exactly the point I have been trying to make.

He threw himself into the river to swim against the current where it was strongest. It may not have been obvious at the surface, but he needs to be smarter than that with what he says.

I feel sorry for Chris Bowen. Perhaps he should change sides. They do that in the NT.

Chris Bowen is about the only Labor member who, despite all the odds against him, especially in the horrible Immigration p/f, I have any time for. Perhaps also Jenny Macklin.
He has clearly had difficulty in towing the party line. Imo he'd make a much better leader than any of those who have had a go so far.

Julia, I guess you are wanting perfection from Abbott. Who else do you suggest who is more perfect? I know you listen a lot to the ABC and from what I hear, they spend more time denigrating Abbott than they do looking into Gillard's problems.

Oh dear. Perhaps listen to some of ABC Radio's multiple networks and you might actually know what they are like. Quoting an impression you have is not awfully persuasive.
Certainly Radio National leans very much to the left when the topic is politics. They do, however, have some quite marvellous programs, completely apolitical, which are far more appealing to me than most of the rubbish served up on television.

You have written several paragraphs in this post, yet none of it actually responds to my question to you:

Sails, can you really not see the problems in that interview?

I wonder why not?

At this stage it's either Abbott or Gillard. We don't have much choice and I see Abbott as way more preferable (not perfect) than Gillard. Maybe you would rather this labor government have another term, I don't know, but it seems the majority of Aussie voters don't want our economy to be potentially crippled as time goes by with carbon tax and other unwanted legislation such as their seeming plan to silence freedom of speech. Probably something else you don't hear from the ABC.

Again another assumption on a radio network of many stations which you seem never to have actually heard.
Hardly a basis for drawing any conclusion about the ABC's attitude toward freedom of speech.
FYI I have heard many excellent programs on ABC Radio about the fundamental values espoused in allowing freedom of speech.
Have a listen some time. Your world will expand.

You seem very silent on the possible issues of Gillard's 17 years ago which probably need a royal commission and, instead, seem to spend your time bagging Abbott.

I try to only comment on matters about which I have a clear view and which I feel I have some understanding, viz Mr Abbott's underweight performance.
I am no lawyer. I have never been a member of any union. I know nothing about the requirements and norms of industrial law. I know nothing about Ms Gillard's relationships with various men and could not be less interested in same. Neither do I know anything about the details of her relationships with Slater and Gordon.
Therefore I do not believe I can make any credible comment on the matter.
I know this doesn't stop many others from lapping up the sordid innuendo from the likes of Larry Pickering, but it's not for me, thanks.

Spend my time bagging Abbott? Unlike you, I am not a rusted on devotee of any political party. If I see something which I feel like criticising, I will do so, unless otherwise instructed on this forum by its owner.
Too bad that you don't like it.
Believe me, I'd like nothing better than to genuinely feel able to praise Mr Abbott. I detest and abhor the Labor government, everything about it, including its leader. But that does not translate into my ipso facto declaring all is fantastic with the opposition. Far from it imo. So I will, with or without your permission, continue to criticise Mr Abbott until he lifts his game and behaves like a credible alternative leader.

He doesn't have serious questions on his past, has a loving family - all daughters which makes a mockery of the left's taunts about his being unable to relate to women.

Agreed he seems to have a happy family. That, however, is completely irrelevant when it comes to leading the country. Many people are good Christian family men and women. That does not qualify them to be PM of Australia.

The nasty taunts from the left seem nothing more than unsubstantiated bully behaviour.

You keep going on about this 'bullying'. I know bullying is fashionable at present, but for heaven's sake, an opposition leader has to be able to deflect criticism and turn it on its head.
He's not a kid in kindy. He's playing in the big people's schoolyard now and needs to be up to it.

Sure Abbott could improve his speaking and interviewing skills, but perhaps this is something that doesn't come naturally and difficult to correct. I don't know.

You discuss this as though it were a point of almost irrelevance. It's not. Think of all the successful leaders you have known of throughout the world. One thing they have almost all had in common, despite variable political stances is a the capacity to capture the people's attention through their oratory. What do you think got Barack Obama into power? Hardly his capacity to fix the nation's economic woes!

When he refused to go with Gillard on the Malaysian disaster, I remember you were critical of him and felt he shouldn't be playing politics. Surely you can see now that he did the right thing?

Yes absolutely. That's a good point. I did feel at the time for the sake of the country both parties should unite against the Greens. And certainly he has come out on top on this one. But think of all the damage in the meantime. All those thousands of asylum seekers now in the community, something you consistently point out as a disaster.

The left have had a massively negative campaign on him which I think is way over the top and bully like.

Of course they've had a massive campaign against him. What on earth would you expect? They are fighting for survival. He has been every bit as vicious in his attacking of them and their policies.
They are all of the same ilk.

 

[sails]

Julia, next time I won't take the time to respond. I gave you an honest answer and yet you go through it sentence by sentence and pretty much rip it up. End of discussion for me.

 

[sptrawler]

I feel sorry for Chris Bowen. Perhaps he should change sides. They do that in the NT.

Yes I agree, Bowen allways seems to look as though he wishes he could say what he really feels. Poor guy doesn't look happy. I think Gillard keeps him on a tight rein, he allways looks as though he isn't far way from a spanking.

 

[drsmith]

I think Gillard keeps him on a tight rein, he allways looks as though he isn't far way from a spanking.

The reminder that there's no limits at Mistress Gillard's house of discipline is the dining room picture of Kevin Rudd with a knife in his back on the wall behind where Julia sits.

 

[Tink]

Yes, I have to say, this government is really starting to stink.
I cant believe they havent done any follow up on everything that has been happening - its a disgrace.
Julia has now become like a pitbull, attack dog.

 

[noco]

Julia, next time I won't take the time to respond. I gave you an honest answer and yet you go through it sentence by sentence and pretty much rip it up. End of discussion for me.

sails, it is unfortunate there are some people in this world who never like to lose a fight, they are always right and never admit when they wrong.

As I have mentioned before, if Tony Abbott had a Pierce Bronson or a Clarke Gable image with their polished approach, the women would have his populariy up around 60%. Malcom Turnbull would run rings around both Gillard and Abbott because he is in a different mould; charming and personal. It is a pity Turnbull is so far left in his thinking for he could have still been leader.

I know I will cop some flack on this one, but it does not worry me for I will be on the other side of the world for 5 weeks as from today.

See you all when I get back

Cheers.

 

[startrader]

sails, it is unfortunate there are some people in this world who never like to lose a fight, they are always right and never admit when they wrong.
....

Cheers.

I think you can add to that Noco "and always have to have the last word"!!!

 

[Tink]

Umm, I hope people didnt think I meant our Julia, I was talking about Gillard.
We are all entitled to our opinions.

Have a good holiday, noco.

 

[startrader]

Umm, I hope people didnt think I meant our Julia, I was talking about Gillard.
We are all entitled to our opinions.

Have a good holiday, noco.

No, we knew who you meant - you said in your first sentence "the government", so you had defined it.

 

[Julia]

Julia, next time I won't take the time to respond. I gave you an honest answer and yet you go through it sentence by sentence and pretty much rip it up. End of discussion for me.

I appreciate that you gave your honest answer. Amongst it you criticised me for various attitudes plus made remarks about e.g. ABC Radio which you concede you don't listen to. I have simply responded to what you said.
It's a forum. People agree and disagree all the time. I cannot suddenly become a Tony Abbott fan just because it would make you and a few other people happier. Wish I could.

The Nielsen poll out today suggests I'm not the only voter less than happy with Mr Abbott.

Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury says a new poll shows Australians are realising that the Coalition has been running a false campaign on the carbon tax.

The Herald Nielsen poll of 1,400 voters shows Federal Labor's primary vote has climbed to a six-month high and Prime Minister Julia Gillard is now ahead of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister.

Labor's primary vote rose 2 per cent to 32 per cent, while the Coalition's primary vote fell 2 per cent to 45 per cent, in a poll with a 2.6 per cent margin of error.

But Labor would still be beaten in a landslide if an election was held today, with the two-party preferred figure giving the Coalition a lead of 54-46.

The poll comes after a difficult fortnight in which the Government reinstated offshore processing for asylum seekers, and the Prime Minister defended her conduct as an industrial lawyer 17 years ago amid claims of a scandal.

Ms Gillard's rating as preferred prime minister has risen 3 points to 46 per cent while Mr Abbott's rating fell 3 points to 45 per cent.

Have a lovely holiday noco. Re your suggestion of only a celebrity appearance appealing to women, I was very happy with John Howard as Prime Minister. I'm sure not even his family would consider him in any way glamorous. He did, however, have a calm consistency and capacity to respond to situations appropriately which inspired confidence in many.

 

[Calliope]

Yes I agree, Bowen allways seems to look as though he wishes he could say what he really feels. Poor guy doesn't look happy. I think Gillard keeps him on a tight rein, he allways looks as though he isn't far way from a spanking.

I actually think that he is an Avatar.

 

[sptrawler]

Great picture, It looks as though he is thinking "jeez another $hit butty to sell"
While Gillard is looking on thinking "Get on with it, or I'll give you what for"

 

[MrBurns]

The ABC is having a promote Labor day -

Headlines on the homepage of their web site -

1/ 'Thought leader'
Bill Shorten says former PM John Howard has inadvertently revealed the Coalition's plan to re-introduce parts of WorkChoices if it wins government.

2/ Labor gets boost in Nielsen Poll
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury says a new poll shows Australians are realising that the Coalition has been running a false campaign on the carbon tax.

3/ Labor attacks Coalition's 'radical' tertiary agenda
The Federal Government says the Opposition has tied itself in knots and in doing so has revealed its "radical" higher education agenda.

They must think their heros are in with a chance..........

 

[bellenuit]

The ABC is having a promote Labor day -

Headlines on the homepage of their web site -



They must think their heros are in with a chance..........

I think the coalition shouldn't be complacent about the most recent poll. Two party preferred is 46% vs 54%, which is + 2% for Labor and - 2% for the coalition in just 2 weeks.

Although that may appear an insurmountable gap, it is just requires another 4% swing to Labor and from the Coalition to make them level.

 

[MrBurns]

I think the coalition shouldn't be complacent about the most recent poll. Two party preferred is 46% vs 54%, which is + 2% for Labor and - 2% for the coalition in just 2 weeks.

Although that may appear an insurmountable gap, it is just requires another 4% swing to Labor and from the Coalition to make them level.

Gillard will now mount as many scare campaigns as possible while oiling up the cheques in the mail machine to get ahead then call an election.

 

[white_goodman]

The ABC is having a promote Labor day -

Headlines on the homepage of their web site -



They must think their heros are in with a chance..........

considering the state of mind of the left it is no surprise they could be delusional enough to think they can win next year...

LNP $1.23 on betfair and good value imo. Dont look at polls, look where people are putting their money, thats always going to be a better indicator then a poll