These are the trends Gillard and Swan will try to hide. Why hasn't some reporters asked them the question?
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These are the trends Gillard and Swan will try to hide. Why hasn't some reporters asked them the question?
Labor's strategy from here on is pretty obvious isn't it?... (this is probably back in the thread somewhere... I just wasn't prepared to read much of it, so apologies if I'm going over old ground, lol)
They know they can't win the next election and they know neither Julia nor Rudd are going to be leading them after this election... so they really don't have any other option but to put Rudd back in as leader - either just before the next election is due, or to get it all over with and trigger an election (and probably bring the independents into the spotlight as much as possible).
...it has to be Rudd going into the next election - not only will that put the leadership issue to bed once and for all (after the election), but most people agree he is a better 'election runner', which means they are going to lose 'less bad' with Rudd at the helm as opposed to Julia... damage control has to be pretty high on their agenda at this point - they don't want things to turn out like it did in the Qld state election... it'll be bad... but they have to make sure it's not that bad.
After the election (and the loss) is over... Bill Shorten comes up to the plate and takes over with a fresh start for a long stint as opposition leader... is Shorten the best option? Maybe, maybe not - but he's definitely the one they are grooming - he's had increased media time for a few months now and is well and truly the one Labor powerbrokers have in their long term plans.
...so the only question at the moment is when Rudd becomes leader again - everything else has a pretty logical timeline around it... there is no other play for Labor IMO (anyone think otherwise?), they are pretty well painted into a corner at the moment.
They know they can't win the next election and they know neither Julia nor Rudd are going to be leading them after this election... so they really don't have any other option but to put Rudd back in as leader - either just before the next election is due, or to get it all over with and trigger an election (and probably bring the independents into the spotlight as much as possible).
...it has to be Rudd going into the next election - not only will that put the leadership issue to bed once and for all (after the election), but most people agree he is a better 'election runner', which means they are going to lose 'less bad' with Rudd at the helm as opposed to Julia... damage control has to be pretty high on their agenda at this point - they don't want things to turn out like it did in the Qld state election... it'll be bad... but they have to make sure it's not that bad.
After the election (and the loss) is over... Bill Shorten comes up to the plate and takes over with a fresh start for a long stint as opposition leader... is Shorten the best option? Maybe, maybe not - but he's definitely the one they are grooming - he's had increased media time for a few months now and is well and truly the one Labor powerbrokers have in their long term plans.
...so the only question at the moment is when Rudd becomes leader again - everything else has a pretty logical timeline around it... there is no other play for Labor IMO (anyone think otherwise?), they are pretty well painted into a corner at the moment.
Julia
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It has been widely accepted for some time that the building industry is in the doldrums so no real news there.
Glenn Stevens is presently spreading the message that overall Australia is economically very healthy
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...utm_content=81512&utm_campaign=pm&modapt=news
In the radio excerpt I heard with him today, he indicated the Reserve has no plan to make further interest rate cuts for the foreseeable future, so he'd hardly be saying that if the economy overall was in trouble.
To state this so categorically ignores the fact that much of the present front bench have declared they could never again work with him. How is that going to be managed?
I have no idea what Labor should do to try to save themselves, but in light of the vicious pejorative remarks made a few months ago by cabinet ministers about the 'dysfunctional' 'chaotic' Rudd, I can't see that just tossing Gillard out and ushering Rudd back in is the right solution.
Just think of the sound bites the Libs would have in the election campaign. What a gift to them.
How about someone completely chinless and acceptable to the ALP right(currently over seas a bit) and you'd only have to add glory to his vanity in his nailing himself to mast of the seemingly sinking ship. Add to that, it will be his only ever shot at what he desperately desirers, before ****s take a leadership role a couple of years down the track.
And completely neuters the internal knifing of Rudd, all that glorious footage nothing but scraps on the cutting room floor at Tory campaign HQ
The overall problem with Labor's leadership and government, is it's all short term.
They appear to, and do "jump at shadows".
In hindsight I now believe that Rudd's original stint at PM was a farce to get Gillard there.
Maybe it was, maybe it was not, but my point is "if it was", then surely they would want to
make amends for that style of a campaign.
My point is "have they woken up enough this time"? If they have, it will not be Rudd.
If Rudd is put in as leader, they questions will be, "who will be the front and back bench"?
It will look like "Dad's bloody army". They same one that came down the hallway when
Gillard "oust" him.(Rudd).
To quote Gecko, " We, (Labor) have a serious problem."
So the alternate leader has to be the person who can pick the strongest front and back bench.
He also has to have the people in mind that will win a seat at the next election!!!
IMO they cannot get over the first hurdle.i.e. pick a leader who has a chance.
It has all got too hard for them. Similar to their handling of the "asylum seeker fiasco".
So the end result will be to draw out the current term of government.
It is only the independents that can create any "waves" to end the current stalemate!!.
joea
The independants joined up with Labor in 2010 stating they saw a more stable government under Gillard.
What must they really be thinking now?
Paul Kelly sums up the situation between Gillard and Rudd and if the indies do read his comments, I would like to hear what they now say about the instablility that is going on now.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rudd-or-oblivion/story-e6frg74x-1226434217314
What must they really be thinking now?
Paul Kelly sums up the situation between Gillard and Rudd and if the indies do read his comments, I would like to hear what they now say about the instablility that is going on now.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rudd-or-oblivion/story-e6frg74x-1226434217314
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Julia is a dud.
Rudd is a dud.
Swan is a dud.
Shorten is a dud.
Labor is a dud.
Labor is a vacumn of no-hopers
Pack your bags and go away, the lot of you.
Rudd is a dud.
Swan is a dud.
Shorten is a dud.
Labor is a dud.
Labor is a vacumn of no-hopers
Pack your bags and go away, the lot of you.
The following is from Alan Jones on Gillard's involvement in union corruption. She’ll be hoping like hell that the incoming conservative government next year doesn't instigate a full blown criminal investigation into this affair.
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13667
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=13667
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It's been clear for some time that the independents have chained themselves to the sinking Labor ship and thrown away the key.
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BINGO!!!
Good find.
Having said that, we all know that it is a coverup and a f**ken joke and a half....
What l would like to say, in general, is that people who are aged between 18-35 (roughly), are still ALP supporters. You'd be very, very surprised how many people l speak to, who are in this age group, hate the Libs.
Scary.
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It's clear now that in 2007, even after 11 years in the wilderness that Labor was not ready to govern. This is in stark contrast to Labor in 1983.
Had the Coalition not let power go to it's head after the 2004 election and had and orderly transition from Howard to Costello, they might have been in power for another 11 years.
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Thanks for the link. Some of the information in that interview is shocking. Can people really be beaten up by union thugs and have bullets sent to them in the mail in the the 21st century? I felt physically ill after listening to that.
Yes, it is good that this is being exposed again. Coalition will not have to campaign.
When Gillard looses the PM tag, WE WILL HEAR THE "whining and wailing" from NTH. Qld.
Meanwhile the scratches in the wall and door as they drag her out of the Lodge, will no doubt be fixed by some
very good house restorer.
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I have recently been made aware of first hand knowledge that this and other related rumours are in fact true, in the words of the informer, Gillard is a bad piece of work and he is dismayed that she is PM of Australia, she is absolutely unfit for the position.
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Does anyone think that Gillard's recent statements about seeking a "middle ground" in relation to media legislation may be to placate the media so that they hold off on pursuing this issue?
I can't for the life of me understand why any journalist worth his/her salt isn't investigating this to the fullest extent.
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Me either, it seems impossible for this to be covered up if it's true but as least Jones is having a say, but this would be the story of the century so I really cant understand why it isn't on the front pages......unless it's too much gossip and not enough proof ?
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Just got my gas bill $100 per week.
Don't suppose it's Gillards fault is it ?
$100 per week ??????????????? used to be able to rent a place for that.
Don't suppose it's Gillards fault is it ?
$100 per week ??????????????? used to be able to rent a place for that.
Well when we look at the Craig Thompson fiasco, what have we got.
Kathy has no job. Pleading in Court to clear her name.
Williamson all over the front page.
Its about every thing except Craig Thompson, who is a Labor MP in the disguise of an Independent.
Wonder why that is.?
I am thinking if, and when it comes out it will be at an appropriate time.
No good one journalist bringing it up. It has to be all the papers and media at the one time.
So now I will say quite bluntly why it has not happened.
Because of repercussions from the Prime Ministers office. Plain and Simple.
joea
