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This is such a huge story it's barely believable. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
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This is such a huge story it's barely believable. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
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A mate tells me on the news once the Carbon tax kicks in a bottle of Freon gas used in Air con's . fridge's etc is from $2,000 to $12,000 that should help pollute the country side with old units, and help import more new ones from over seas were there is no carbon tax and Australian manufactures can't compete.
It looks like pay back time from a sacked disgruntled former Attorney General Robert McClleland.
Perhaps another nail in Ms Gillard's coffin.
It's happeneing down Canberra Way.
http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...onfronted_with_the_scandal_she_almost_buried/
Perhaps another nail in Ms Gillard's coffin.
It's happeneing down Canberra Way.
http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...onfronted_with_the_scandal_she_almost_buried/
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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This is scary but worth a listen -
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=12080&task=view&id=12080
http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=12080&task=view&id=12080
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Boggo, that is GOLD!
1:30-1:35......'No..??..'....and goes downhill from there....LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....
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Yeah!! Just read the article linked by Noco. I'm almost at the 'accepted as self-evident' stage.
If I were cross-examining Gillard right now in the witness box, I'd be asking her to expand a little bit on what she meant by being 'young and naive' at the time.
This is now no longer a blanket denial (ala the Craig Thomson beyond the level of implausibility). This is now a situation where the Prime Minister, focusing on an action or a series of actions, has labelled it 'young and naive'.
Dare I say it, a line has been crossed.
So let's start from the start. What are those actions? And what in particular do you attach the word 'naive' to? Is it wrongdoing? Did you accept money to renovate your house which you now accept as naive? Or were you just naive in your relationship choices?
That phrase 'young and naive' is meant to trigger in most normal minds something of the latter. Oh, I was a fool to hang around with that person. I can accept that. So many of us were fools to vote for the ALP.
So, if that was the problem, let's just come out and say that and then...dare I say it again... moving forward.
But IF that was the problem, then the 'fool' excuse should have been paraded a long time ago. This is big. Craig Thomson might have company on the cross benches.
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Up on Youtube already
Gai Brodtmann Clarifying Superannuation and the Mining Tax.mp4
(Skip to 4:30)
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Larry Pickering wrote this on his Facebook page RICHO:
Graham Richardson (Richo) claimed on Sky this morning that Craig Thomson's activities were a one-off anomaly. "All other ALP officials are hard working honest people", he said, trying to keep his face from going five shades redder.
Crumbs, I nearly choked on my Weetbix.
Richo is a product of the infamous NSW Right faction and his hands are filthy to his elbows in ALP criminal grime.
The only difference between Richo and Thomson is that Richo is smart and Thomson has an IQ of four.
Richardson's hookers were always arranged by a third party. He never signed credit cards. Those "third parties" were notorious Gold Coast and Sydney crims.
He had serious connections to Lenny MacPherson, Rene Rivkin, Rodney Adler's FAI insurance company and Swiss bank accounts that held the insurance payout from FAI for the Offset Alpine fire. The payout was
$53 million. The fire was arson.
[Offset Alpine was a Sydney printing company. I used them to print my calendars until, one dark Christmas eve, they were no longer there.]
This question was asked in the NSW Parliament: "Who were the persons responsible for the Offset Alpine Printing company fire, which resulted in a $53 million insurance payout for printing machines worth only $3 million, and whether any of those persons who purchased shares in this company, such as Messrs Rivkin, Richardson, Kennedy, Martin, Wood or any other persons, had advance knowledge of this fire and the anticipated rapid million-dollar insurance payout by Mr Adler's FAI insurance company?"
Gordon Wood, Rivkin's driver and confidant had been convicted of the murder of Carolyn Byrne.
The CJC, ASIC and NSW Police had tried for seven years to nail Richardson, Rivkin and Kennedy but failed.
What happened is this:
Senator Richardson, Rene Rivkin and Packer's Bulletin editor, Trevor Kennedy, curiously became controlling shareholders in the Silverwater printing company. The company was worth no more than
$3.5 million. It was insured through Rodney Adler's FAI for $53 million. Rodney Adler purchased almost 10% of the company shares two days before the fire.
The $53 million insurance was hurriedly, and without protest, paid to a Swiss bank account. But much more was made as a result of the soaring share price. Even the ASX was aware of the insurance policy and the real value of the printing company.
When (front-bencher) Richo looked certain to be sprung he went to Keating and promptly resigned.
So please, Richo, don't sit there on SKY TV and explain that Craig Thomson is an anomaly.
What you really mean is that Thomson is just stupid enough to get caught... you weren't.
Graham Richardson (Richo) claimed on Sky this morning that Craig Thomson's activities were a one-off anomaly. "All other ALP officials are hard working honest people", he said, trying to keep his face from going five shades redder.
Crumbs, I nearly choked on my Weetbix.
Richo is a product of the infamous NSW Right faction and his hands are filthy to his elbows in ALP criminal grime.
The only difference between Richo and Thomson is that Richo is smart and Thomson has an IQ of four.
Richardson's hookers were always arranged by a third party. He never signed credit cards. Those "third parties" were notorious Gold Coast and Sydney crims.
He had serious connections to Lenny MacPherson, Rene Rivkin, Rodney Adler's FAI insurance company and Swiss bank accounts that held the insurance payout from FAI for the Offset Alpine fire. The payout was
$53 million. The fire was arson.
[Offset Alpine was a Sydney printing company. I used them to print my calendars until, one dark Christmas eve, they were no longer there.]
This question was asked in the NSW Parliament: "Who were the persons responsible for the Offset Alpine Printing company fire, which resulted in a $53 million insurance payout for printing machines worth only $3 million, and whether any of those persons who purchased shares in this company, such as Messrs Rivkin, Richardson, Kennedy, Martin, Wood or any other persons, had advance knowledge of this fire and the anticipated rapid million-dollar insurance payout by Mr Adler's FAI insurance company?"
Gordon Wood, Rivkin's driver and confidant had been convicted of the murder of Carolyn Byrne.
The CJC, ASIC and NSW Police had tried for seven years to nail Richardson, Rivkin and Kennedy but failed.
What happened is this:
Senator Richardson, Rene Rivkin and Packer's Bulletin editor, Trevor Kennedy, curiously became controlling shareholders in the Silverwater printing company. The company was worth no more than
$3.5 million. It was insured through Rodney Adler's FAI for $53 million. Rodney Adler purchased almost 10% of the company shares two days before the fire.
The $53 million insurance was hurriedly, and without protest, paid to a Swiss bank account. But much more was made as a result of the soaring share price. Even the ASX was aware of the insurance policy and the real value of the printing company.
When (front-bencher) Richo looked certain to be sprung he went to Keating and promptly resigned.
So please, Richo, don't sit there on SKY TV and explain that Craig Thomson is an anomaly.
What you really mean is that Thomson is just stupid enough to get caught... you weren't.
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Richo, (who are you trying to kid), has lost all credibility with statements like this.
He would have been better stating the truth in that Craig Thomson's and Williamson's stealing are just the tip of the iceberg in relation to corruption in the union/Labor party activities.
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She's probably getting emergency training in handling the media as I type.
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Like fire warnings the world economies now have a rating :
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in the Middle East and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved."Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years. The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability. Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides." The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose." Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels. The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy. Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.A final thought - "Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 480 BC"...
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in the Middle East and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved."Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years. The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability. Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides." The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose." Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels. The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy. Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.A final thought - "Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 480 BC"...
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I'm intrigued by this report from Sptrawler on another thread:
Intrigued because I'm wondering whether it matches my dislike. The knifing of Rudd and the carbon tax backflip (I've stopped calling it a lie) are obviously on everybody's radar.
But looking deep inside my own thoughts, I come up with personal dislike. That's very unsettling because that happens so rarely with someone you've never met before.
And yet the people I've spoken to, I detect the same personal dislike. How is this so? Maybe the Labor supporters here can help. Do you actually like Gillard? Or does blind faith prevent you even broaching that question?
I try to compare with previous PMs. Keating was apparently loathed, but I liked him because he clearly had passion, was courageous, and had a cutting tongue. Aloof and arrogant were often used to describe him, but I just saw him as unwavering in his determination to promote his stated agenda (OK, so he shouldn't have called Hewson a feral abacus).
I never personally liked Howard, although I shook his hand twice, once just before he lost to Rudd and lost his seat, and the second time about 18 months ago in the middle of Sydney. But I respected him, though not necessarily his policies. I got the feeling he learnt through his time as PM, that without admitting as much, he learnt from his mistakes. He realised he was wrong to give the nudge/wink to Hanson, his lost temper at an Indigenous conference when the audience turned their back on him and booed him.
I would never go up to Gillard to shake her hand. I would go up to Rudd and commiserate with him. I thought Rudd's mouth was just too big for his own good, but he is much bigger the man for having taken his bitter medicine - twice.
What is it with Gillard that makes her so despised? Can anyone out there say she is loved? Or that they love her? Could we hear from a Gillard lover?
Intrigued because I'm wondering whether it matches my dislike. The knifing of Rudd and the carbon tax backflip (I've stopped calling it a lie) are obviously on everybody's radar.
But looking deep inside my own thoughts, I come up with personal dislike. That's very unsettling because that happens so rarely with someone you've never met before.
And yet the people I've spoken to, I detect the same personal dislike. How is this so? Maybe the Labor supporters here can help. Do you actually like Gillard? Or does blind faith prevent you even broaching that question?
I try to compare with previous PMs. Keating was apparently loathed, but I liked him because he clearly had passion, was courageous, and had a cutting tongue. Aloof and arrogant were often used to describe him, but I just saw him as unwavering in his determination to promote his stated agenda (OK, so he shouldn't have called Hewson a feral abacus).
I never personally liked Howard, although I shook his hand twice, once just before he lost to Rudd and lost his seat, and the second time about 18 months ago in the middle of Sydney. But I respected him, though not necessarily his policies. I got the feeling he learnt through his time as PM, that without admitting as much, he learnt from his mistakes. He realised he was wrong to give the nudge/wink to Hanson, his lost temper at an Indigenous conference when the audience turned their back on him and booed him.
I would never go up to Gillard to shake her hand. I would go up to Rudd and commiserate with him. I thought Rudd's mouth was just too big for his own good, but he is much bigger the man for having taken his bitter medicine - twice.
What is it with Gillard that makes her so despised? Can anyone out there say she is loved? Or that they love her? Could we hear from a Gillard lover?
Stumpy.
I think 25% of the voter turned off the first day in parliament, when she looked at Tony Abbott and said with arrogance "BRING IT ON".
It all went down hill after the lie on the carbon tax.
As far as I am concerned she is probably 'bi-polar".
Check Two Wolf thread. She really has to have her mind on the job to be nice.
The media play mind games with her now to bring out the dark side.
joea
I think 25% of the voter turned off the first day in parliament, when she looked at Tony Abbott and said with arrogance "BRING IT ON".
It all went down hill after the lie on the carbon tax.
As far as I am concerned she is probably 'bi-polar".
Check Two Wolf thread. She really has to have her mind on the job to be nice.
The media play mind games with her now to bring out the dark side.
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G'day Glen. I searched your post to try to find what relevance it has to this thread. The above bit was the closest I could find. You may be on to something. I think that Gillard's malicious carbon tax could impose a direct threat to that Australian institution - The Barbie. The Barbie might have to go underground.
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Calliope Guess the safest way would be to collect the dangerous gas and put it in a bag and throw it in the ocean.
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CARBON TAX
DESIGNED TO DESTROY EVEN MORE AUSTRALIAN
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It's an interesting question. I don't feel that same personal dislike toward Ms Gillard to the extent I felt it toward Mr Rudd. I've certainly never met either of them. Asking myself the basis for reaction to each of these people, I can only come up with the views of people who know them, plus obviously their public performance.
Ms Gillard's colleagues seem to find her personally pleasant - relaxed, friendly and approachable.
The opposite is said about Mr Rudd.
I despise most of the policies of both so I guess under that circumstance having a sense of 'liking' either of them is unlikely.
My guess is the last sentence, given their unwillingness to ever acknowledge any failed policy.
Never met him either but had a sense of liking and respect until he committed Australia to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Is he? Or does his ambition still burn brightly and he is waiting to be asked to return when the Party finally dumps Ms Gillard?
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I was reading today, that labor is pinning its hopes on the fact that when the carbon tax comes into play on July 1, nothing will happen.
This actually sums up the problem with this government, they underestimate the publics intelligence, actually treat it with contempt.
It is hard to believe how out of touch a government can get, yet still feel that given time the electorate will swallow the crap. Unbelievable IMO
This actually sums up the problem with this government, they underestimate the publics intelligence, actually treat it with contempt.
It is hard to believe how out of touch a government can get, yet still feel that given time the electorate will swallow the crap. Unbelievable IMO
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Th news polls still don't look good for labor, however I think they will do a lot worse than the news polls indicate.
If you take into account the results of the Queensland and N.S.W elections, it points to a worse result than the polls are predicting.
I have never heard as many people openly venting their political views in public before. It is really strange a bit like when the housing boom was in full swing all people talked about was property investment.
In the past however most have shied from talking politics at bbq's etc. Now it seems to be something they all have in common a dislike of labor.
If you take into account the results of the Queensland and N.S.W elections, it points to a worse result than the polls are predicting.
I have never heard as many people openly venting their political views in public before. It is really strange a bit like when the housing boom was in full swing all people talked about was property investment.
In the past however most have shied from talking politics at bbq's etc. Now it seems to be something they all have in common a dislike of labor.
