The Gillard Government

[nioka]

What does this have to do with CO2 in the atmosphere ?

They go together like a horse and carriage. Find an excess of one and you find an excess of the other. Or where there is smoke there is fire.

 

[wayneL]

They go together like a horse and carriage. Find an excess of one and you find an excess of the other. Or where there is smoke there is fire.

Not necessarily. And tax will not reduce co2 emissions, just transfer them to the third world where there will be even more accompanying pollution.

 

[noco]

Julia Gillard is nearing the end of her tether. The back room boys are on the move to undermind her. Happy days are on the way according to the Herald Sun.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...heraldsun/comments/is_julia_gillard_finished/

 

[Julia]

I heard today that Mark Latham reckons Chris Bowen will be the new labor leader by 2012. What do you think?

Far be it from me to endorse anything Mr Latham says, but I'd have to hope he's right. Chris Bowen has shown himself to be competent, across his portfolios, capable of listening to questions and responding in a reasonably genuine way.

He would be a great relief and huge improvement on either or both Gillard and Swan, both of whom seem to exponentially descending into an abyss of incompetence.

And then we have Peter Garrett, who quite pathetically was trying to sound authoritative on "PM" tonight, defending yet another stuff up on his part, i.e. the 'My School' website which is apparently full of errors.

This bloke is one of Labor's most disastrous experiments. There is nothing he has got right, and his utter awkwardness when trying to defend himself is a sad combination of pathetic and ludicrous.

 

[Julia]

'Lateline' tonight will feature an interview with Paul Keating.
He's always someone worth watching. The political scene is, imo, the worse for his departure.

 

[wayneL]

He would be a great relief and huge improvement on either or both Gillard and Swan, both of whom seem to exponentially descending into an abyss of incompetence.

Julia, I think they were always at the extreme lower end of competence. It is just circumstances that are exponentially revealing this.

 

[noco]

Far be it from me to endorse anything Mr Latham says, but I'd have to hope he's right. Chris Bowen has shown himself to be competent, across his portfolios, capable of listening to questions and responding in a reasonably genuine way.

He would be a great relief and huge improvement on either or both Gillard and Swan, both of whom seem to exponentially descending into an abyss of incompetence.

And then we have Peter Garrett, who quite pathetically was trying to sound authoritative on "PM" tonight, defending yet another stuff up on his part, i.e. the 'My School' website which is apparently full of errors.

This bloke is one of Labor's most disastrous experiments. There is nothing he has got right, and his utter awkwardness when trying to defend himself is a sad combination of pathetic and ludicrous.

Well Julia, the Labor power brokers are working hard behind the scenes and Oakshott is not going to wera it. Interesting times ahead!!!!!!

I'm afraid I find it hard to gain confidence in Chris Bowen. He, like Gillard, is full of spin and will cover his back side on all occassions. He knows he has a major problem with illegal immigrants and appears to be doing very little to combat that problem.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...reaker-oakeshott/story-fn59niix-1225964777896

 

[trainspotter]

Why did the Gillard Government spend 45 million dollars of tax payers money trying to secure the 2022 World Cup for soccer?? Who agreed to this?

In response to Julia: I liked the way Paul Keating slammed Labors Green Alliance on Lateline. It would appear that Michael Costa agrees. Great stuff here

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...it-michael-costa/story-fn59niix-1225963579493

 

[Logique]

From the transcript of Lateline on 2 Dec 2010
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s3083382.htm

PAUL KEATING: Well, I think - you know, if the big parties do the big changes - the Labor Party should never concede space to the Greens. Minor parties always, through the proportional system, climb into the Senate and get into a bargaining position.

But, if you look at the big economic change and the big environmental changes in this country, they were delivered fundamentally by the Labor Party. Now, the Labor Party's got to be seen to be doing those things and getting back to those things.

I mean, you know, the climate change fiasco gave the Greens a real opportunity. Before that, they were pushed out. You know, people like Al Gore, a former US president, occupying the space. It wasn't green groups; it was mainstream people.

So I think as we move back to the mainstream, and we will, then the relative position of the Greens will change. But I wouldn't be giving them any space unnecessarily. The two party system matters to this country and fracturing it won't be a good thing.

 

[Logique]

Why did the Gillard Government spend 45 million dollars of tax payers money trying to secure the 2022 World Cup for soccer?? Who agreed to this?

Australia got one vote. And England got 2 votes for 2018.

40 degrees in Qatar, except inside the air-con stadiums. Real incentive for the best players in the world to delay their holidays, delay medical procedures, put up with niggling injuries etc.

 

[Julia]

Why did the Gillard Government spend 45 million dollars of tax payers money trying to secure the 2022 World Cup for soccer?? Who agreed to this?

In response to Julia: I liked the way Paul Keating slammed Labors Green Alliance on Lateline. It would appear that Michael Costa agrees. Great stuff here

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...it-michael-costa/story-fn59niix-1225963579493

Hello TS, I, too, was blown away when I heard about that massive cost for the bid for the damn World Cup! What a waste. The animated film featuring Julia Gillard and apparently a kangaroo making off with the Cup has been widely slammed as pathetically bad.

Yep, just a great article by Michael Costa. I don't think the government thought through the repercussions of forming an alliance with the Greens, and are only just now beginning to see how damaging this is.
Good to have Paul Keating's endorsement of this.

 

[IFocus]

From the transcript of Lateline on 2 Dec 2010
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s3083382.htm

PAUL KEATING: Well, I think - you know, if the big parties do the big changes - the Labor Party should never concede space to the Greens. Minor parties always, through the proportional system, climb into the Senate and get into a bargaining position.

But, if you look at the big economic change and the big environmental changes in this country, they were delivered fundamentally by the Labor Party. Now, the Labor Party's got to be seen to be doing those things and getting back to those things.

I mean, you know, the climate change fiasco gave the Greens a real opportunity. Before that, they were pushed out. You know, people like Al Gore, a former US president, occupying the space. It wasn't green groups; it was mainstream people.

So I think as we move back to the mainstream, and we will, then the relative position of the Greens will change. But I wouldn't be giving them any space unnecessarily. the two party system matters to this country and fracturing it won't be a good thing.

Paul made some other important points

Reading the transcript (thanks Logique missed the program) reminds me that there are no other present or past politicians who can talk to the dept Keating can.

 

[trainspotter]

1) 96 billion dollar debt that Keating and Labor left when John Howard took the reins was good how so?
2) The "Recession we had to have" was good for whom exactly?
3) Keating's description of Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad as "recalcitrant" really helped us on the world stage in what way?
4) Keating wanted Australia to become a Republic was a great idea !!
5) Deregulating the banks without a "watchdog" to control subprime practices benefitted whom?

Yes ..... I agree we need more of him to get to the depths of political verbosity.

 

[wayneL]

You know, people like Al Gore, a former US president...

Eh?

 

[wayneL]

2) The "Recession we had to have" was good for whom exactly?

In retrospect, Keating was actually 100% on the money with this.

If sometime in 2001 - 2007 there was another "Recession we had to have" (on a global scale), there would have been no GFC.

Just a normal trough in the business cycle.

 

[IFocus]

1) 96 billion dollar debt that Keating and Labor left when John Howard took the reins was good how so?

Do you have a link to that number?
Only remember the$7.6 billion "black hole" budget deficit left to Howard of course Howard as treasurer left the Hawke government $9.6 billion budget deficit.

2) The "Recession we had to have" was good for whom exactly?

Actually the world was in recession

3) Keating's description of Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad as "recalcitrant" really helped us on the world stage in what way?

Nice way to say tosser which Mahathir was , Keating actually got Australia into Asia through several forums i.e. APEC and reached out to Indonesia an area Howard failed in.

4) Keating wanted Australia to become a Republic was a great idea !!

And so we should be

5) Deregulating the banks without a "watchdog" to control subprime practices benefitted whom?

We had a subprime problem?

Fact is Tony Jones could not have had that conversation with any other present / past politician

 

[wayneL]

And so we should be

Definitive statements require definitive logic/reasoning.

IOW - WHY should we be.

 

[Julia]

In retrospect, Keating was actually 100% on the money with this.

If sometime in 2001 - 2007 there was another "Recession we had to have" (on a global scale), there would have been no GFC.

Just a normal trough in the business cycle.

Agree 100%. Governments now are too politically cowardly to let a recession sort through the rubbish. Moral hazard now applies.
What incentive is there for businesses to behave morally and reasonably when they know they will be bailed out?

In Ireland they have just made the banks' debt public debt. No wonder the taxpayers are ****** off.

 

[todster]

Why did the Gillard Government spend 45 million dollars of tax payers money trying to secure the 2022 World Cup for soccer?? Who agreed to this?

In response to Julia: I liked the way Paul Keating slammed Labors Green Alliance on Lateline. It would appear that Michael Costa agrees. Great stuff here

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...it-michael-costa/story-fn59niix-1225963579493

Would you have posted about the world cup if they secured it?
I think not.
Hindsight the most powerful tool in every mans shed.

 

[IFocus]

Definitive statements require definitive logic/reasoning.

IOW - WHY should we be.

I think we both aware of the arguments for and against I am for a Republic.

However

I think the British Monarchy should remain as some type of ceremonial head of state with no powers to remind the do gooders that Australia for better or worse is today what it is because of a government and system of law put in place by a dominate white protestant population.