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The future of energy generation and storage

Smurf do you see any value in the Fed government taking over coal stations that have been run down due to lack of maintenance to ensure that the maintenance is done properly and therefore have the stations operational asap instead of continual cost cutting by the current owners ?
Personally I'm in the middle there. There are certainly good operators and I see no reason why they ought find themselves nationalised. But on the other hand, well if someone's just going to mess about and plunge society into chaos when they fail well then there's a case for government to step in. There are companies which fit into both categories....

If it were up to me then:

1. What's really needed is a proper plan for all of this. I've said plenty about it here, others have said plenty about it elsewhere, now it seems the chickens have finally come home to roost. This situation has been coming for a very long time.

2. If any individual company can't or won't well they're the ones that there'd be a case to nationalise. Leave the rest to get on with it. :2twocents
 
Speaking of solar and wind power of buildings..

Walkie Talkie Tower, London​

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The skyscraper at 20 Fenchurch Street, dubbed the “Walkie-Talkie tower”, last month won the “Carbuncle Cup” -- an award given by Building Design magazine to the worst building in the U.K.
The tongue-in-cheek award seems mean, but the tower has caused a number of problems.

In July, the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph reported that the building was creating a wind tunnel that blew down shop signs and swept pedestrians off their feet. In 2013, the building’s south-facing wall reflected sunlight onto the streets below, melting a car’s bodywork. Non-reflective film had to be attached to the tower’s windows as a prevention.
 
The exodus of retailers is starting to get serious in Qld and NSW:

The list of electricity retailers that have removed market offers from their websites (and/or Energy Made Easy) for one or more states includes;
  1. 1st Energy
  2. Amber
  3. Bright Spark Power
  4. CovaU
  5. Diamond Energy
  6. Dodo
  7. Discover Energy
  8. Electricity in a Box
  9. Elysian Energy
  10. Future X Power
  11. GEE Energy
  12. Locality Planning Energy
  13. Mojo Power
  14. Momentum Energy
  15. Nectr
  16. OVO Energy
  17. People Energy
  18. Pooled Energy – in administration
  19. Powerclub
  20. Powerdirect
  21. Powershop
  22. QEnergy
  23. Radian Energy
  24. ReAmped Energy
  25. Simply Energy
  26. Smart Energy
  27. Tango Energy
Of particular note is some of the above being backed by major players who, whilst I'm not in any way suggesting the parent company is in difficulty, are choosing to give up on non-core aspects of the business.

With reference to that list:

14, Momentum Energy, is the interstate retail brand name used by Hydro Tasmania

20, Powedirect, is a secondary brand name used by AGL

21, Powershop, is owned by Shell

21, Simply Energy, is the retail brand owned by Engie

To be clear the parent companies are still active, Hydro Tas is still operating in Tasmania, AGL is still running under the main brand, Shell is still alive and well in the oil industry and so on but they've stopped taking new electricity customers in some or all states.

The underlying reason would come down to market volatility and managing risk to themselves since, as others exit or go bust, remaining retailers are being flooded with new customers to the point it's leaving them exposed to the market. That is, they only hedged or can themselves generate x volume and have shut the door once customer numbers reached or exceeded that point. :2twocents
 
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Last month I changed my electricity from Origin to Red. The main reason was Red was offering rates fixed until 31 May 2023.

Previously, when I've changed supplier, the supplier I was leaving has called me and tried to get me back with a better offer. Not this time. No peep out of Origin.
 
Another battery technology, zinc-bromide gel batteries, Australian discovery.

Yes, the University of Sydney has been working on this for a number of years.

Last year it spun the technology out to form the company Gelion for commercial applications.

From what I understand it was able to combine both the elements of the battery into a gel format and eliminated or reduced the need for cooling. Not flammable either.

 
Hello, what have @Smurf1976 and I being saying for about 5years, the last thing coal generators want to be doing, is running coal generators. ?
Now we have a political scenario where the light at the end of the tunnel 'GAS', has likely been snuffed out, so what is plan B ? Exit stage right. :whistling:
Fortunately you Eastern Stater's are lucky, you have the Green/Teal think tank to sort it out.
What was the line in the play Richard the third? " a wood fire, a wood fire, my kingdom for a wood fire". :eek:

Thankfully Albo got a clear majority.

Power giant calls for coal exit plan​

EnergyAustralia, owner of two big coal-fired power plants, wants a plan in place for the orderly exit of the fossil fuel.


Well didn't they already give firm commitments to scheduled shutdown dates? Smurf posted them several times. :xyxthumbs
 
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Another battery technology, zinc-bromide gel batteries, Australian discovery.



Yes, the University of Sydney has been working on this for a number of years.

Last year it spun the technology out to form the company Gelion for commercial applications.

From what I understand it was able to combine both the elements of the battery into a gel format and eliminated or reduced the need for cooling. Not flammable either.

I haven't read up on either, but Redflow RFX uses zinc bromide flow batteries, the issue with the gel battery may be the filtering out of impurities which when it is a liquid shouldn't be a problem, just a thought off the top of my head as I said I haven't had time to research.
Retaining walls need repairing, soakwell frames need replacing, wife wanted a monorim front suspension on the ninebot max, so many jobs, so little time.
 
Fortunately you Eastern Stater's are lucky, you have the Green/Teal think tank to sort it out.
Specific political parties aside, I think a few are about to realise that no amount of spin, persuasiveness, buzz words and "optics" gets you anywhere at all when you're up against hard physics and engineering.

In any battle between a Prime Minister, Premier, President, King etc versus physics I guarantee you physics wins every single time. :2twocents
 
Specific political parties aside, I think a few are about to realise that no amount of spin, persuasiveness, buzz words and "optics" gets you anywhere at all when you're up against hard physics and engineering.:2twocents
Being realistic, it did have to come to this, all the spin about lack of wanting to, lack of will, lack of commitment. It all boils down to jack $hit when jack hits the fan. ?

It's a bit a comedy adventure, where everyone tells those trying to move the beast over to the new paradigm, how to do it.

Then all of a sudden those telling how to do it, get caught with the job. ?

They will make a movie about this for sure, it's a classic.

The Greens remind me of a song from when I was a kid, they have a great idea and they just have to make it work, come hell or high water.

 
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I did say the way things are going the coal generators will have to be paid an availability allowance, or they just wont be viable and owners will walk away from them.


$20bn economic hit if coal is left to ‘fend for itself’​

Alinta, owner of Victoria’s Loy Yang B coal power station, says a capacity payment is needed to ensure the fossil fuel stays in the power grid and consumers avoid a rocky transition.
 
I did say the way things are going the coal generators will have to be paid an availability allowance, or they just wont be viable and owners will walk away from them.


$20bn economic hit if coal is left to ‘fend for itself’​

Alinta, owner of Victoria’s Loy Yang B coal power station, says a capacity payment is needed to ensure the fossil fuel stays in the power grid and consumers avoid a rocky transition.

Either that or a government takeover of the coal stations, even though they are dinosaurs we need them at the moment and if the current owners won't maintain them then they don't deserve to have them.
 
Heat pumps , worth the extra cost ?
Roughly half of all homes in Tasmania are heated that way as a case in point, the idea having been heavily promoted since the 1980's and mainstream popular since the late-1990's when split systems became far cheaper.

For me well I can assure everyone that heat pumps also work fine for hot water. I've got one in this house (in SA) and it's working just fine and the one in my previous house (in Tas) was also going just fine when I sold the place.

A properly designed and installed system works under all weather conditions, no booster required. Emphasis there on "properly designed and installed" - avoid the cheap products, just don't go there unless you want pain and misery. :2twocents
 
Interesting today I thought I heard mention of nuclear on the radio, I can't find mention of it in the media, does anyone have an update?
 
Interesting today I thought I heard mention of nuclear on the radio, I can't find mention of it in the media, does anyone have an update?

More information.


 
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