hello,
so how does a ng share investor help productivity and business investment, they dont, zip
But yet wont find 1 blog on the internet about it vs 5mil on ng propert investment
Business provide anything for consumptiom
Stock market investors don't AIM to make a loss. They don't buy a share in order to make a loss as opposed to a NG property.
Name one stock investor (there are 100's on this forum) who's main aim is to make a loss.
And BTW, buying stock in a company DOES help the company and hence help productivity and job creation.
On another note,
any look at the Realestate.com.au figures. It's got Melbourne clearance rate at 69%
http://www.rs.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=ars
Now that's interesting.another note,
any look at the Realestate.com.au figures. It's got Melbourne clearance rate at 69%
http://www.rs.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=ars
hello,
gee why is everyone so focused on clearance rates, for 5 yrs people have been telling me i am a loser for posting them up
they mean nothing, now you all want to hang your hat on it, amazing
thankyou
professor robots
hello,
how? please explain
gee why is everyone so focused on clearance rates, for 5 yrs people have been telling me i am a loser for posting them up
they mean nothing, now you all want to hang your hat on it, amazing
thankyou
professor robots
But you on the other hand were all hoping around and doing cartwheels when the clearance rate was above 80%. So suddenly we were in paradise and now it's irrelevant. Can't have it both ways, pal.
hello,
Exactly, cant have it both ways
Whats IPO's got to do with it, what about when i buy bhp tomorrow on 75% margin, yield is nothing, NG is enormous and you can claim same tax benefits as PropInvest
And prop investor would provide more employment
Weekly Auction & Sales Results, Market Overview
Week ending Sunday May 30th 2010
There has been a shift in the residential property market in Melbourne over the past month, with six successive interest rates and unseasonably high auction numbers having an impact.
The number of homes on offer at auction is at the same level we normally see in the spring selling season and, in that context, clearance rates remain very healthy, this does provide buyers with a better opportunity than was the case earlier this year.
The clearance rate from the 924 auctions reported this weekend was 73% per cent.
Of the 924 auctions there was a total of 631 sold and 250 passed in, 167 of those on a vendors bid.
On this weekend last year there were 667 auctions and a clearance rate of 82 per cent
There will be around 900 more auctions next weekend and then a record 1000 the weekend after the Queens Birthday long weekend.
Enzo Raimondo
CEO REIV
Few would in the current market and most certainly not on margin. I have never used margin or any form of loan monies to buy shares and after the ruffle of the last few years a lot of people would be in the same boat.
And on the type of investor and employment I do not see how you can say that. Buying shares and therefore supporting a company such as Woolworths, BHP, Wesfarmers and even the banks to name a few would be very supportive of employment. And the 4 or 5% return is usually pre tax paid (fully franked dividends) so for all the bother of owning units etc including liquidity I would go the shares by a long shot at the moment.
And bit of maintenance on an investment property and the property manager and agents fees would be a very small input to employment in the bigger picture. So its all a bit debatable in my humble view ole Champ.
Ahhh, the revised figures.Can somebody check Enzo's figures please? It seems as though he is FOS because I make it a shocking 68%.
http://reiv.com.au/home/inside.asp?ID=162&nav1=1226&nav2=162
So you're saying shares have no value to the economy. Any idea what would happen if every listed company was forced to payback ALL shareholders the current value of their holding?have i created any productivity buying those shares? created any work? no zip absolutely zip ole Pal
Touchy Touchyhello,
i see why none of you want to address the issue, stop banging on about negative gearing for property when exactly the same rules apply to share purchases on margin
and shares purchases provide no productivity AT ALL, lets see, i buy 100 bhp shares tomorrow, the seller gets the money i get the shares, the yield is less than interest, i claim it to ATO AGAINST INCOME, presto i get a tax deduction
have i created any productivity buying those shares? created any work? no zip absolutely zip ole Pal
thankyou
professor robots
i see why none of you want to address the issue, stop banging on about negative gearing for property when exactly the same rules apply to share purchases on margin
hello,
i see why none of you want to address the issue, stop banging on about negative gearing for property when exactly the same rules apply to share purchases on margin
and shares purchases provide no productivity AT ALL, lets see, i buy 100 bhp shares tomorrow, the seller gets the money i get the shares, the yield is less than interest, i claim it to ATO AGAINST INCOME, presto i get a tax deduction
have i created any productivity buying those shares? created any work? no zip absolutely zip ole Pal
thankyou
professor robots
Well Mate, They can't think of anything wrong with investing in property in itself. So they have to attack the method in which some investors use debt to invest. Which as you have quite rightly pointed out is a separate topic entirley.
Using this argument against property based on negative gearing is like saying the share market has no value as an investment grade asset class because all those over leveraged storm financel customers lost out when they bought at the top of the market using margin.
By far most property investors out there are positively geared.
a. Margin loan interest is treated exactly the same as any other investment loan interestWith RE, people are allowed to offset the losses against a totally DIFFERENT income stream. This is not allowed with losses on other asset classes such as shares and nor should it be allowed with RE. Any investment decision just to save tax should be punished, not rewarded. The pain will come though. It always does, except that this time it is going to be a lot worse.
a. Margin loan interest is treated exactly the same as any other investment loan interest
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