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Well it sounds as though Singapore know how to reign in the property market, it's a shame our politicians are so invested in the bubble, they don't want to hit it at all. ? ? ?

Sounds like Singapore are making a rational decision to me, if we don't have enough properties, why sell what we have to overseas investors, unless we get a massive premium in the way of a tax?



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-27/singapore-takes-aim-at-rich-chinese-with-60-property-tax?leadSource=uverify wall

Singapore’s move to double property taxes for foreigners signals that policy makers are growing more cognizant of surging money inflows from wealthy Chinese, even though the higher rates are unlikely to cool home prices.

In new measures announced Thursday, foreigners will pay 60% tax on any residential purchase, while the rate for using an entity or a trust was raised to 65%, preventing any circumvention of the rules.

And in Australia:

Buyers from China dominate foreign investment in Australian residential real estate, with $1.6 billion in proposed purchases approved in the six months to the end of December last year, official figures show.

That demand is tipped to grow more strongly after China’s decision to reopen its borders took effect in early January.
 
'relative wealth' ( spending power adjusted for real inflation NOT CPI ) would be an interesting stat after all most new 'modern' stuff is made with built-in obsolescence

:wheniwasaboy: ya lost me at relative wealth. I'll be back in a moment, got to help my neighbour with his new fridge and kitchen and then check my sisters house because she has gone on holidays with the family, feed my parents animals because they've gone to the shack for a week,then i'm helping a mate look for a new car,off to a restaurant on Friday for a birthday, might pick up a new phone in the city on Satrday. I should call a current affair its just not fair, no one I know has any money, my grandparents wages were so much higher :bag:
 
:wheniwasaboy: ya lost me at relative wealth. I'll be back in a moment, got to help my neighbour with his new fridge and kitchen and then check my sisters house because she has gone on holidays with the family, feed my parents animals because they've gone to the shack for a week,then i'm helping a mate look for a new car,off to a restaurant on Friday for a birthday, might pick up a new phone in the city on Satrday. I should call a current affair its just not fair, no one I know has any money, my grandparents wages were so much higher :bag:
Shouldn't you be at work to pay for all this? ?
 
Shouldn't you be at work to pay for all this? ?

:2twocents I am what I am, collecting the rent & dividends from 25 years of investing. funnily enough just like a few of my old school mates and our family members but it hardly pays the bills, what with our 3 year old bomb of a car needing replacement and my mate needs us to go to Spain in july and that dam restaurant is always needing to be paid each week. I suppose its relative wealth, less income these days
:eek:
 
:2twocents I am what I am, collecting the rent & dividends from 25 years of investing. funnily enough just like a few of my old school mates and our family members but it hardly pays the bills, what with our 3 year old bomb of a car needing replacement and my mate needs us to go to Spain in july and that dam restaurant is always needing to be paid each week. I suppose its relative wealth, less income these days
:eek:
What did you buy, a BYD ?
 
I don't know why the exudus of people from NSW is a worry, that is where most of the new immigrants are going.
Oh sorry forgot. It is all about narrative for the Muppets.lol
23,000 leaving this year, 200,000 arriving. Lol

 
Hard to find in the budget papers , but the immigration numbers are truly staggering : big dollop for next year ( 400,000 ? can't be sure now , as I was , ahem , having a few wines ) to make up for the lean Covid lockdown years , to then average just over 1/4 million a year for ever and ever , by the look of it .
The Rudster will surely be pleased . Big Australia indeed.
 
To add some fun. Or is it?

We used to see that in China...
Are these rabbit boxes really the Australian dreams for the masses..? getting some personal angst downsizing to 15 acres...For me this is a definition of hell..even for the resisting hero...
 
The perils of buying a land lease property.

Based on extract of letter in article, fees had been unchanged for 3y..lucky them..in the real world, let me tell you they did move so an increase on the 4th year ,below 15% is of no ethical issue and seems actually fair
But it might be simply that these owners can not afford what they have...
Pensions have not increased but neither has my investment income...
 
Based on extract of letter in article, fees had been unchanged for 3y..lucky them..in the real world, let me tell you they did move so an increase on the 4th year ,below 15% is of no ethical issue and seems actually fair
But it might be simply that these owners can not afford what they have...
Pensions have not increased but neither has my investment income...
Trailer parks are coming, hook up your home and move it to where you can afford to live, leave the more expensive areas to the rich. ?

Why prick the property bubble, if you are riding it? This isn't rocket science, why would politicians prick the bubble and lose their income, that would be stupid.
I have bank shares which would be hit hardest, but to keep the bubble growing just causes more pain when it has to be lanced, unless the plan is to have a bigger and bigger wealth inequality. ;)
 
Trailer parks are coming, hook up your home and move it to where you can afford to live, leave the more expensive areas to the rich. ?

Why prick the property bubble, if you are riding it? This isn't rocket science, why would politicians prick the bubble and lose their income, that would be stupid.
I have bank shares which would be hit hardest, but to keep the bubble growing just causes more pain when it has to be lanced, unless the plan is to have a bigger and bigger wealth inequality. ;)
There is the question of what sort of a society do we want to live in.

The aggrieved will be intent on further experimentation with Marxism, only to once again discover it is a hundred times worse than even this economic fascism we currently live in.

When people have nothing left to lose, watch out.
 
Trailer parks are coming, hook up your home and move it to where you can afford to live, leave the more expensive areas to the rich. ?

Why prick the property bubble, if you are riding it? This isn't rocket science, why would politicians prick the bubble and lose their income, that would be stupid.
I have bank shares which would be hit hardest, but to keep the bubble growing just causes more pain when it has to be lanced, unless the plan is to have a bigger and bigger wealth inequality. ;)
definitively the plan but not for the smallish cba shareholder and Tesla Beemer posh suburbite...real wealth...and it is not remaining in Australia
 
"The construction industry will shed 61,000 jobs over the next three years as work slumps in the labour-intensive home-building sector, new forecasts to be released on Tuesday by peak industry body ACIF show.

"The Australian Construction Industry Forum has cut its forecast of detached house construction by $1.1 billion..., as higher interest rates hit consumers’ borrowing capacity and as rising material and labour costs make it more expensive for builders to build
....

... Will be a lot of repossessed Hiluxes In the yards, soon.
 
"The construction industry will shed 61,000 jobs over the next three years as work slumps in the labour-intensive home-building sector, new forecasts to be released on Tuesday by peak industry body ACIF show.

"The Australian Construction Industry Forum has cut its forecast of detached house construction by $1.1 billion..., as higher interest rates hit consumers’ borrowing capacity and as rising material and labour costs make it more expensive for builders to build
....

... Will be a lot of repossessed Hiluxes In the yards, soon.

Ford Ranger's will be he repossessed king. The young and risk adventurous tradie go for the Rangers, while the tradie with more life experience and risk averse own Hilux's and Tritons.

I've noticed that the roads are getting quieter in the morning and afternoon, usually a sign of things slowing down. The RBA may have achieved their goal, knock the working class on the head.
 
The construction industry will shed 61,000 jobs over the next three years as work slumps in the labour-intensive home-building sector, new forecasts to be released on Tuesday by peak industry body ACIF show.

So we have
  • high house prices
  • a housing shortage
  • 400,000 new arrivals
and we still can't keep our existing construction workers in work.

Australia - ripe for the picking.
 
Aussies turning bullish on property price? Well there's a surprise, haha.

I am actually in two minds on this.

To me, house prices in this country do not make any economic sense whatsoever; and haven't done since about the mid noughties. Apart from a few niche markets (hopefully one of those is where I have my ppor), I just can't see the economic sense of house prices rising any further "in real terms". And then there is the mortgage cliff, recession and all that sort of thing.

However there is the spectre of inflation, lack of supply, immigration, and the absurd increase of head costs on new property. There could equally be some version of a crack up boom in house prices as well.

Question I always ask myself when considering any trade investment, what is the upside, what is the downside?

I certainly wouldn't gear up into property at the moment, but I do have a lazy few hundred grand in cash that I am trying to find a home for. Popped a few offers in here and there but either expectations are unreasonable or we get outbid.

Hmmmmm

 
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