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If you are in your 60's, you have seen enough booms and busts, to realise this is shaping up to be a big one IMO.
It will be quite interesting IMO to see how it unfolds, especially in Melbourne /Sydney massive mortgages dependent on massive wages and low interest rates, that sounds as though the elastic band is stretched about as far as it will go.
yes , HOWEVER we have seen governments ALREADY unleash ( previously ) unimaginable levels of stimulus , and rent/mortgage moratoriums , they might resort to those measures again , or reach for broader support measures ,

a BIG one , yes .. but WHEN ( will the government be forced to buy all those delinquent mortgages , and become the lender of last resort )
 
i probably should point out a modern ( newly-built ) house differs in many areas of an eighties built house

having lived ( shared rental ) in an AV Jennings award-winning home , which had some interesting design features ( flaws ??) i shudder to think how building economics has changed in the last 40 years .. ( oh damn i don't have to , i did several house cleans prior to the owner moving in to a new home .. or refusing to settle at the last minute )

interesting times are a coming ( so is your newly built million dollar home well-built , or just conveniently located )
 
Sp you expect everyone ar retirement age to own his her home?
I looked for a socialist Scandinavian heaven:
Sweden: where less than 40pc of people own their houses
Australian situation of very high ownership is an anomaly and the Reset coming is making sure we will go back in rank...

https://www.statista.com/statistics...ority of,were rented multi-dwelling buildings.
The reality is frog, Australia is an anomaly, where we have copious amounts of land, a small population and an amazing amount of wealth through minerals.
The problem is all this excess wealth is being swallowed up, in purchasing an over valued tiny bit of land with a brick shed on it, for a stupid price.
This then ties that wage earner and their partner up for years, so all that money is not productive in any way.
Ridiculous house prices, is actually going to send Australia broke.
All that money tied up in a non productive shed, rather than building businesses that manufacture somefhing and provide employment for generations.
 
yes , HOWEVER we have seen governments ALREADY unleash ( previously ) unimaginable levels of stimulus , and rent/mortgage moratoriums , they might resort to those measures again , or reach for broader support measures ,

a BIG one , yes .. but WHEN ( will the government be forced to buy all those delinquent mortgages , and become the lender of last resort )
It wont happen, we will just keep importing buyers, we have plenty of land.
The real issue is how many uber drivers and baristas do we need? We need to fckn smarten up and go back to the future, where Australians were smart, rather than now where everyone thinks they're smart because they have a degree.
 
Yes, that is another factor in rising house prices, developers who want to build McMansions from the start, instead of more modest homes that can be expanded as the family and income grows.
Yes and the builder advertises in the newspaper, that has climate change and global warming, filling the first 5 pages.
Then McMansions filling tbe other half of the paper. Lol
 
Central planning versus free markets. A somewhat ideological debate that's been around a long time now.

Personally I'll argue that free markets do a better job of just about everything with the notable exception of single integrated systems such as power grids, road networks or water supply where technocrat central planners have the advantage and markets are problematic at best.

But we're here to talk about housing not how to make the traffic flow or keep the lights on so why am I mentioning that? For good reason actually and it's because regardless of which side of the fence someone's on with that debate, one thing I think we'd all agree on is that either beats neither. However imperfect a centrally planned supermarket or market designed city streets might be, they beat having nothing at all.

Trouble is right now we don't have either system working as intended and that goes not just for housing but for just about everything. There are very few instances where a true free market is in operation without someone meddling in it meanwhile there are also no technocrat central planners tasked with meeting society's needs. With few exceptions that's across the economy, it's not unique to housing although that's one of the worst areas.

With nobody in charge with a plan, and no free market as an alternative, it's pretty much inevitable that it's going to be chaotic and that is indeed the outcome. Both approaches can only work if they're allowed to actually work. :2twocents
 
The reality is frog, Australia is an anomaly, where we have copious amounts of land, a small population and an amazing amount of wealth through minerals.
The problem is all this excess wealth is being swallowed up, in purchasing an over valued tiny bit of land with a brick shed on it, for a stupid price.
This then ties that wage earner and their partner up for years, so all that money is not productive in any way.
Ridiculous house prices, is actually going to send Australia broke.
All that money tied up in a non productive shed, rather than building businesses that manufacture somefhing and provide employment for generations.
I agree ..but saying negative gearing is the cause of 60y old persons sleeping in their car...hum...
Dissolve council, remove brakes to building and this will be sorted
As for house prices too high, just a compounded result of QE and never ending money printing.we just worsen the issue with manufactured limitation,regulations and brainless measures
 
Central planning versus free markets. A somewhat ideological debate that's been around a long time now.

Personally I'll argue that free markets do a better job of just about everything with the notable exception of single integrated systems such as power grids, road networks or water supply where technocrat central planners have the advantage and markets are problematic at best.

But we're here to talk about housing not how to make the traffic flow or keep the lights on so why am I mentioning that? For good reason actually and it's because regardless of which side of the fence someone's on with that debate, one thing I think we'd all agree on is that either beats neither. However imperfect a centrally planned supermarket or market designed city streets might be, they beat having nothing at all.

Trouble is right now we don't have either system working as intended and that goes not just for housing but for just about everything. There are very few instances where a true free market is in operation without someone meddling in it meanwhile there are also no technocrat central planners tasked with meeting society's needs. With few exceptions that's across the economy, it's not unique to housing although that's one of the worst areas.

With nobody in charge with a plan, and no free market as an alternative, it's pretty much inevitable that it's going to be chaotic and that is indeed the outcome. Both approaches can only work if they're allowed to actually work. :2twocents
100pc agree.but this is a country where a state is playing North Korea against omicron and people wear masks in own cars and stockpile toilet paper while meat shelves are empty as we prevent able people from working...good luck ..this gentleman will not find a roof soon.
 
I agree ..but saying negative gearing is the cause of 60y old persons sleeping in their car...hum...
Dissolve council, remove brakes to building and this will be sorted
As for house prices too high, just a compounded result of QE and never ending money printing.we just worsen the issue with manufactured limitation,regulations and brainless measures
I never said negative gearing is the cause for a 60 year old living in a car, a 60 year old living in a car in Australia is hard to fathom, are they living in a car in Sydney or Dubbo?
 
It's cheaper to buy a unit in Mandurah, than to rent one. ?
The other issue is of course, isn't a 60 year old one of those fat cat baby boomers? You know the ones who are all sitting on millions, maybe the guy is living in GG's Arnage.
 
I never said negative gearing is the cause for a 60 year old living in a car, a 60 year old living in a car in Australia is hard to fathom, are they living in a car in Sydney or Dubbo?
No you did not but Sir Rumpole was.
I am getting increasingly frustrated to see the same old records played by politicians. And supported by the electorate..
baseless economically nonsensical theories which should be urban myths used as pretexts to do nothing progressive ( not used in the left right way)
20 to 30y behind in mentaly..fair..but also acts..dangerous
This is valid for housing talks but true in so many more areas,technically, medically..look at bloody covid here
We have been living in a society of free credit and globalism with socialism and cronysm for 1 or 2 generations at least.
This leads to severe actual wealth reduction(socialism), debasing currency and so increasing real assets aka land PM , smashing middle class and pushing wealth to the 2 extremes: cronies .and not discussed on the abc, the poorer..
i would bet anything that someone deciding not to work or on invalidity disability pension nowadays is better off now than 30y ago..
Australia was lucky and rode a couple of crisis on the back of the billion of chinese workers.. getting cheap stuff wo working...but that is obviously non sustainable.
Ultimately this collapses and what is left? Land: mines, real estate,agriculture and sun..maybe power
This is a very caricatural extreme on purpose of the Australian economy
Mining with heavy automated process extract ore/coal,
pay royalties and taxes,
Taxes pays for public servants
Taxes pay NDIS,welfare
Recipients buy Chinese stuff cheap and coffees with backpacker/chinese baristas
Australian businesses can not compete and close.
Lost jobs move into welfare or baristas
Now, who do you think was the landlord in the above...most probably the Australian business owner yep not the barista, or the PS
Australia is getting poorer regardless of GDP or average house price all denominated in a fiat currency with limited shef life.
 
The usual pessimists posting the same gruel for the past 10+ years. It almost always comes from those that have not travelled, or kept themselves up-to-date and informed with a wide enough or varied enough information source.


....millennials are being sold the new posh version of trailer park living.... baseless economically nonsensical theories which should be urban myths used as pretexts to do nothing progressive.... living in a society of free credit and globalism with socialism and cronyism for 1 or 2 generations at least.... Australian businesses can not compete and close.... Lost jobs move into welfare or baristas.... Australia is getting poorer regardless of GDP or average house price all denominated in a fiat currency with limited shef life.


Life may not be all roses at the moment but when has it ever been?

As long as I can remember there has been people complaining about governments, house prices, poverty, the cost of groceries. If I had listened to and believed it all I would never have purchased my home, investments, and business.

Look past the negative, behind it is the positives and the good. Don't believe me? Go and catch up with you r history, have a look at what life was like 100 or 150 years years ago. Look at the inventions and science that is developed every year, even last month. Ask a new Australian why they want to live here.
 
The usual pessimists posting the same gruel for the past 10+ years. It almost always comes from those that have not travelled, or kept themselves up-to-date and informed with a wide enough or varied enough information source.
Compare now versus any time in your own life.

So far as the ability of an average worker to afford a house is concerned, the situation has gone backwards that's undeniable. What a manual labourer could easily achieve 50 years ago is now almost out of reach for a qualified professional.

As an investment housing's been great for many but from a societal and national economic perspective there's a problem most certainly.

I'm in a situation that many are in. I own outright, I'm doing fine, but it would be pretty much impossible for anyone to take the same path today that got me there.

To the extent I'm concerned, it's concern about others and the future of the economy more broadly, it's not a personal complaint. :2twocents
 
Compare now versus any time in your own life.

So far as the ability of an average worker to afford a house is concerned, the situation has gone backwards that's undeniable. What a manual labourer could easily achieve 50 years ago is now almost out of reach for a qualified professional.

As an investment housing's been great for many but from a societal and national economic perspective there's a problem most certainly.

I'm in a situation that many are in. I own outright, I'm doing fine, but it would be pretty much impossible for anyone to take the same path today that got me there.

To the extent I'm concerned, it's concern about others and the future of the economy more broadly, it's not a personal complaint. :2twocents
No personal grief either just to be fully honest: i own house and land,
If gov does not want me to work? I stop.not a bad life guys..i recommend
If they ramp taxes i will **** off..obviously not easy but hey better work on this than for a salary, better ROI too
Do not fight governments and narratives..ride them ir take actions
 
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