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some of you have some really funny ideas about housing......
all the jobs that would be lost if we simply lived in a hut or a cave....
the companies who make the building materials, who employ hundreds of thousands of workers....all those jobs gone
the builders employ similar numbers
the manufacturers of all the things that furnish a house...there goes China
the maintenance people....who keep the house in good order, or refurbishment, including the gardeners,cleaners, landscapers etc
you would probably lose half the workforce....if we lived in a cave
I have not mentioned all the other related industries....ie; financial including the banks, the estate agents etc
and all those jobs that rely on the housing industry to support them....if they were not there, you would not have a thriving metropolis...actually life as you know here in OZ....
it would be like the poor in India, China ,Africa and all those other god forsaken countries..
The party is over. The music has stopped. Looking at clearance rates though it would appear that some fools are still dancing.
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/services/pop_print.htm?id=119945&tb=bh
What about the other banks and non bank lenders? Are they all joining westpac in declaring the RBA irrelevant?
But, in a private briefing to big shareholders, Mrs Kelly suggested that the prospect of a political backlash from Canberra could make it difficult to hit home loan and business customers in a federal election year.
Whether they all declare it or not, all of the banks are subject to the same high wholesale funding rates. I have more respect for Westpac (as much as I can have for a bank) than I do for the others who are being covert with their views in an attempt to capture market share.
A stronger securitisation market has enabled AMP Bank Ltd to lower interest rates on its entry level home loan products after hiking mortgage rates earlier this month.
AMP Bank dropped the interest rate on its basic variable home loan by 22 basis points to 6.27 per cent, and cut the rate on its introductory variable mortgage by 45 basis points to 5.94 per cent.
AMP is currently offering 5.75% for cash and the comparison rate for their base variable rate home loan (6.27%) is 6.29%.
That strikes me as a rather slender margin.
That's true although one would think that serious depositors would be chasing the higher rates.that would be the minimum margin, You have to also think that they are making much higher margins on other products.
How though does that affect the interest margin ?Also if they have a deposit of $1000(real money) that they pay 5.75% on, it may allow them to lend out over $5000(bank credit/fictional money) at 6.29%.
That's true although one would think that serious depositors would be chasing the higher rates.
That's true although one would think that serious depositors would be chasing the higher rates.
How though does that affect the interest margin ?
With online at call accounts offering close to 200 basis points higher than the cash rate it will be interesting to see how this graph trends through this year (or how the interest rate premium on the online accounts change).The increased competition by banks for deposits has added substantially to their cost of funds. It used to be the case that on average banks paid about 125 basis points less than the cash rate on deposits. Now they are paying interest rates that are on average in line with the cash rate (Graph 3).
No mention of increased household debt (lower interest margins but on bigger debt pie).:dunno:Between 2000 and 2007, the net interest margin on the major banks’ Australian operations had narrowed by about 100 basis points (Graph 5). This was driven by competition, and was made possible by sizeable reductions in banks’ operating costs over that period, which allowed banks to continue operating profitably despite falling margins.
Because it not like a depositor banks $1000 @ 5.75% and the bank then lends that depostors $1000 @ 6.29% making a small gross profit of $5 from a 0.5% margin.
The bank takes the depositors $1000(real cash) @ 5.75%, they then lend out up to $9000(bank credit) at a mimimum of 6.29% making a gross profit of over $500, this profit is made even bigger if they can lend it out via higher interest products such as personal loans or credit cards.
Perhaps Wespac feels that in the longer term household debt cannot continue to increase in relation income and in fact may decrease resulting in a situation where interest margins have to increase to maintain reasonable profit growth.
Not in relation to interest margins as they are relative to total assets and liabilities, not just depositors funds.Tyson, do you have any further information on the above? Although I see where you are coming from, can this be right? If it is deposit rates can go alot higher than loan rates!
some snippets to ponder... (for the higher interest rates brigade)
extracts only...you really should read the whole article
ps...the asterisks are mine
Interest rates rose three times in the year before, yet prices in three cities -- Brisbane, Adelaide and Melbourne -- rose more than 20 per cent.
So, despite the fear and rhetoric, evidence that property prices automatically fall when interest rates move up is hard to find. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...rates-not-so-bad/story-e6frg9gx-1225842032129
Higher Interest Rates Not So Bad
Looking at the track record, the answer is not as clear as you might expect. It's true that residential property prices stopped growing during the last interest rate peak, (April 08 to August 08) but a worldwide financial calamity also peaked during the 2008 spring market (Sept - Nov 08), when 40 per cent of Australia's property transactions (usually) take place. (So if the GFC didn't happen properties were going up in those months? OK... ) Interest rates rose three times in the year before, (so that makes it 2007 when they appear to have risen twice not three times) yet prices in three cities -- Brisbane, Adelaide and Melbourne -- rose more than 20 per cent.
Not in relation to interest margins as they are relative to total assets and liabilities, not just depositors funds.
Bubble risk: Rates set to rise, RBA says
March 25, 2010 - 10:32AM
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Interest rates are set to continue rising towards more normal levels and waiting for the global outlook to become clearer runs the risk of moving too late to contain inflation, a top central banker said today.
Reserve Bank of Australia assistant governor Philip Lowe remained upbeat on the outlook for Australia, citing a significant rise in the terms of trade expected this year. This was one reason the central bank expected the Australian dollar would be higher than the average of the past decade.
But he also issued the clearest warning yet against a speculative bubble in home prices, saying the recent price rises risked turning into a speculative bubble that would be "unhelpful".
The property bubble: it's here already
Rising home prices have been one reason the central bank has hiked interest rates four times since October, a far more aggressive unwinding of stimulus than any other country.
The Australian dollar duly rallied after his hawkish speech while bill futures slid as investors revised up the chance of a rise in the 4.0 per cent cash rate as early as next month.
His confidence helped the Australian dollar pare early losses and rise a quarter of a US cent to $US0.9110. It had slipped overnight when a Fitch downgrade of Portugal stirred fesh worries of debt contagion in the euro zone.
"The RBA remains very upbeat and that means a rate hike in April is more likely than not," said Rory Robertson, interest rates strategist at Macquarie.
The central bank has already lifted rates by a full percentage point in six months and the market was now implying a 57 per cent probability of a move to 4.25 percent at the next policy meeting on April 6, up from below 50 per cent before the speech.
That was a marked swing from a 25 percent probability early this month and came despite escalating concerns about sovereign debt in the euro zone which had tempered the global appetite for risk.
Some analysts had thought the angst over debt abroad might deter the RBA from moving at home, but Mr Lowe seemed to think otherwise.
"The alternative of waiting to see how the myriad of risks evolves before adjusting policy runs the significant downside of moving too late, particularly given that the economy is starting this upswing with less spare capacity than in previous upswings," Mr Lowe said.
He alsso pointed to a number of challenges globally, including the need for some indebted countries to tighten their belts, the need for Asian countries to promote domestic demand and the likelihood that higher interest rates in Asia would suck in capital putting upward pressure on asset prices and currencies.
All these posed risks to the RBA's positive outlook for Australia but that had not stopped it lifting rates.
"The alternative of waiting to see how the myriad of risks evolves before adjusting policy runs the significant downside of moving too late, particularly given that the economy is starting this upswing with less spare capacity than in previous upswings," Mr Lowe said in a speech to an industry conference.
Mr Lowe noted recent domestic data had been firm, with employment growth robust, business and consumer confidence above average, the housing market strong and signs that businesses were borrowing again.
"Collectively, these outcomes provide us with some confidence that the economy is now in a reasonably solid upswing," he said.
Sharp increase in prices for coal and iron ore, Australia's two biggest export earners, would deliver a significant rise in the country's terms of trade.
This was a boon to business investment, the government's budget position, asset values, overall confidence in the economy and the growth of domestic incomes.
Mr Lowe noted the housing market had been very buoyant with auction clearance rates high and measures of home prices rising by around 1 per cent a month. There were a few signs the market might be cooling, and a pick-up in home construction would help somewhat. Banks were also tending to tighten lending standards rather than loosen them.
"This is good news, as it would obviously be unhelpful if a speculative cycle were to emerge on the back of the recent strength in housing prices," Mr Lowe cautioned. "This is an area that lenders and current and prospective home owners will need to watch carefully over the months ahead."
Mr Lowe said underlying inflation still looked like slowing to around 2.5 per cent this year, from 3.2 per cent last quarter.
"In addition, the Reserve Bank's liaison with retailers suggests that there has been significant discounting recently, and business surveys point to below average price increases."
Expanding the supply side of the economy and easing bottlenecks would help keep inflation anchored, he added.
"In addition, as the Bank has noted a number of times, with the economy having relatively limited spare capacity, it is likely that interest rates will need to continue their gradual move towards more normal levels," said Mr Lowe.
The bank takes the depositors $1000(real cash) @ 5.75%, they then lend out up to $9000(bank credit) at a mimimum of 6.29% making a gross profit of over $500, this profit is made even bigger if they can lend it out via higher interest products such as personal loans or credit cards.
Tyson, do you have any further information on the above?
There are about $1.6 trillion in bank loans outstanding in Australia, growing at about 8 per cent a year, and $960 billion in deposits, growing at 5 per cent.
That funding gap must be closed in the wholesale market, and Westpac is the sixth-biggest borrower in the global wholesale market.
What Does This Mean for Monetary Policy?
Taking these considerations into account, it would be reasonable to conclude that the overall stance of monetary policy is now back in the normal range, though in the expansionary segment of that range.
Rates won't go up much more in the short to medium term as loan interest costs relative to household income is still high.
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