- Joined
- 18 August 2008
- Posts
- 560
- Reactions
- 2
Yep sure is.
(1) You cant walk out of your house throw the keys to the bank and leave them with the debt.
(2) We Dont and never will have the over supply that the US had/has.
(3) We Dont have a government printing billions of dollars to cover its debt.
(4) We Dont have Banks closing down due to poor lending practice.
Australia is VERY different and your damned lucky to be a citizen of hers.
Add a few more to the list:-
1) A very low default rate of 0.5% of all housing loans.
2) A low unemployment rate of 5.3% and improving private sector wages growth.
3) A different tax regime. No capital gains on selling PPOR unlike USA as well as interest component not tax deductible.
Gooooooooooooooooooo Professor robots !!!!!!
Perhaps some will get by this way. However the household debt profile is a major concern now...no they will do what we all did when interest rates went to 18%. Cut down to tinned food and take any extra work we can to get through.
Over supply is the main component. Too much supply you cant sell it. Happens here in areas of over supply. But not even remotely near the US extent.
2. When an optimist said NEVER WILL to promote his product (the stock market will never crash, The housing market will never crash) etc, he's either a liar, dumb or both. And just for kicks, i'll rephrase your statement - There never was an under supply of houses to begin with, just an oversupply of speculators
3. Nope you just have an economy based on exporting to China. Replacing one form of government with another
4. Bank didn't close down in USA in 07 either
1. The default was pretty low in 07 too in USA
2. The unemployment rate was also 5% in 07 too in US
So those statements mean absolutely jack
1. The same outcome will happen, whoever sells the home - weather it be the bank or home owner, if they can't afford it then they'll sell at a depressed price
2. When an optimist said NEVER WILL to promote his product (the stock market will never crash, The housing market will never crash) etc, he's either a liar, dumb or both. And just for kicks, i'll rephrase your statement - There never was an under supply of houses to begin with, just an oversupply of speculators
3. Nope you just have an economy based on exporting to China. Replacing one form of government with another
4. Bank didn't close down in USA in 07 either
Been trading for 15 yrs and you should learn the exact same things.Again we shake our heads this is a screen shot of my resource portfolio you'll note TODAY'S P&L of $4300 (Yes today!) on a pretty moderate portfolio of $100K $3k yeaterday---hows your holidays going! Mine are bearable!!!
In 87 I had around $5k to my name and facing bankruptcy if I had an attitude like you and all the other defeatists out there Id still have $5k to my name.LEARN HOW TO HANDLE RISK!!!!
China/India/Indonesia/Africa/US we are a country of 22 million with wealth beyond comprehension---go live in Africa and try and get ahead!!!
bail out--Trillions--Billions
Not even a drop in the world economic ocean.
Your on a stock forum dude, you don't need to prove anything, everybody has different strategy's.
Don't get me wrong, its great your making some money but dont assume your the only one ;-)
I dont think anybody is suggesting people will just let themselves go under, i think the suggestion is the debt levels/ratios are much higher than they where in '87 so it may be inevitable no matter how hard people work.
So was Iceland as well if you want to use this arguement lol
Quote of the year
What is your financial strategy? Nukz/Dowdy?
I cashed out of my propertys in late '08 and early '09. Its not nessasarily because i had turned extreemly bearish on the property market it's just after that 30% gain we had in a single year(my personal gains that year alone where significantly higher though)... i just don't see any other years like that again for sometime.
Its more the prospect of better returns in other area's. In '04 and 05 i was heavily invested in mining stocks but lost interest in those and moved to property.
Now i'm out of property i traded the Swiss franc and Cotton for a while and had some fun, moved a small chunk into Silver and some into gold.
The rest is just sitting around at this point in time, just waiting for my next move somewhat.
I'm not really prepared to divulge any number or anything like that but i'm doing ok
Super SMSF then its even better again.
Your completely missing the point.
You can walk away from a $500K debt in the US and leave it to the bank.
In Aust you are still liable---so who do you think will do everything possible to save their home???
I've been in Property since 83 have a Civil Construction Company and Invest and develop Property for a living.With 8 current holdings and under construction and an LVR of 34% you would be (And 90% of those who visit this thread) to get a solid grasp of HOW to invest SAFELY in property for capital growth and Passive income.
Instead of looking at why the sky will fall learn how to profit and survive even if the sky does fall. people like me look at this thread and just shake our heads!
-hows your holidays going! Mine are bearable!!!
In 87 I had around $5k to my name and facing bankruptcy if I had an attitude like you and all the other defeatists out there Id still have $5k to my name. LEARN HOW TO HANDLE RISK!!!!
What is your financial strategy? Nukz/Dowdy?
Your completely missing the point.
You can walk away from a $500K debt in the US and leave it to the bank.
In Aust you are still liable---so who do you think will do everything possible to save their home???
Australia is VERY different and your damned lucky to be a citizen of hers.
The subject of risk management in the context of property has been mentioned here several times without being defined. Risk management in investing has several components including limiting loss, capital allocation, gearing ratios, gov't actions and profit maximization (when to sell).That being said, prices in all likelihood could come down or stagnate, but it's nothing out of the ordinary considering normal property cycles. If you engage in appropriate risk management, within your means and tolerance it shouldn't matter what the prices do over the next couple of years. (unless you're flipping homes of course but that's a whole different ball game)
Maybe my view is overly simplistic, but sometimes simple is best. Cut out all the noise and focus on the key factors. The only thing I think that could cause some grief is a high interest rate (15%+). Will see a few people burnt but as has been said on these forums before, it has happened before and will inevitably happen again. If you invest sensibly there should be no reason why you can't ride out such high interest rates.
Boom, walks out of the house and leaves the key on the table. There are no selling fees or costs to pay because the law is that the bank can't chase you for the loan amount!
If you engage in appropriate risk management, within your means and tolerance it shouldn't matter what the prices do over the next couple of years.
The only thing I think that could cause some grief is a high interest rate (15%+). Will see a few people burnt but as has been said on these forums before, it has happened before and will inevitably happen again. If you invest sensibly there should be no reason why you can't ride out such high interest rates.
Oh god.This is a sh!te bit of scaremongering. So what? They tapped some short term loans at a miesly interest rate because the finacial system had gone into melt down and there was no cash for short term commitments. This anit news people. What the hell do you think all the problems where about back in 08 then?
Its nothing more than a "Today Tonight" journalism.
I've got mates who earn $35k a year and took out a $500k mortgage
Second will be the speculators and negative gearers. Fun fact - 30% of Australian properties are investment properties of which 70% are negatively geared. We are therefore looking at roughly 15-20% of Australian housing stock being negatively geared and relying on capital growth for profits.
How many people do you know have a written investment strategy and risk management plan for property or any other investment? Few to none perhaps?
Need to verify but I believe that non recourse loans did not apply in every state in the US, I believe less than 25% of states had full non recourse loans. This fact needs to be verified as it is widely assumed that every loan in the US had jingle mail attached.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?