The Five Commandments of Aussie Stock Forums

[explod]

Oh please.

Not enough info for a mad dumbhead

 

[Logique]

Not for one minute saying or implying that it's trolling, but must admit, it's a tough crowd in the gold price thread, very contentious in there.

 

[ProverbialPaul]

All sound good to me!

 

[Joe Blow]

Given that we have just begun a new year and many here at ASF may not have seen this thread, I think it's an appropriate time to remind everyone about expectations of behaviour and posting. I would ask that everyone please review the first post in this thread very carefully.

Specifically, I would like to remind everyone of the following:

• Do not insult or personally attack others. Ever. Do not call people morons, idiots or any other derogatory names. It is inappropriate and it is not acceptable.
• Posts should discuss the content of other's posts, not the posters themselves.
• Do not deliberately provoke others, bully them, or bait them. I have no problem with passionate, robust debate. On the contrary, I encourage it. But argue the point, don't deliberately wind others up in an attempt to disrupt or derail the discussion.
• Posts in stock threads should discuss the stock, or the content of other's posts, and that's it. No off topic posts, no posts discussing other posters, and no posts with no content. If you are simply agreeing with someone please add something else of value to the discussion.
• It is not acceptable to accuse others of ramping simply because they take a bullish view of a stock. If you believe they are wrong, then your attack should be on their analysis, not them personally.
• It is not acceptable to accuse others of downramping simply because they take a bearish view of a stock. If you believe they are wrong, then your attack should be on their analysis, not them personally.
• Those taking a bullish or bearish view on ANY stock must post some analysis or reasoning to support their view.

I would urge everyone to please report posts that are in violation of the above points, or the commandments as outlined in the first post in this thread. The mods or I may not necessarily agree with your assessment of a particular post, but all reported posts are looked at.

Your co-operation in helping to maintain the constructive atmosphere and quality of posting here at ASF is very much appreciated!

 

[MrBurns]

Could I copy this to another forum where all they do all day is abuse each other as an example of how it should be done ?

It might wake them up....perhaps not.

 

[Joe Blow]

Could I copy this to another forum where all they do all day is abuse each other as an example of how it should be done ?

It might wake them up....perhaps not.

Yes, feel free to copy it if you like. Just please don't link to ASF if it's a forum full of trolls and adults acting like children. I'd prefer that they stay there.

 

[MrBurns]

Yes, feel free to copy it if you like. Just please don't link to ASF if it's a forum full of trolls and adults acting like children. I'd prefer that they stay there.

They're exotic car owners and a fair sprinkling of hangers on, I'll think about it.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

They're exotic car owners and a fair sprinkling of hangers on, I'll think about it.

Trabant or Arnage ?

Be careful of the company you keep Burnsie.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

Trabant or Arnage ?

Be careful of the company you keep Burnsie.

gg

Ferrari etc, smart **** would be an understatement for many of them, I really don't know why I bother with it, I bought a Maserati once and went there for advice and have been stuck ever since.
I must break the habit.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

A Maserati Burnsie, well there you go.

To return the thread to it's original intent.

From Joe Blow

Given that we have just begun a new year and many here at ASF may not have seen this thread, I think it's an appropriate time to remind everyone about expectations of behaviour and posting. I would ask that everyone please review the first post in this thread very carefully.

Specifically, I would like to remind everyone of the following:

Do not insult or personally attack others. Ever. Do not call people morons, idiots or any other derogatory names. It is inappropriate and it is not acceptable.
Posts should discuss the content of other's posts, not the posters themselves.
Do not deliberately provoke others, bully them, or bait them. I have no problem with passionate, robust debate. On the contrary, I encourage it. But argue the point, don't deliberately wind others up in an attempt to disrupt or derail the discussion.
Posts in stock threads should discuss the stock, or the content of other's posts, and that's it. No off topic posts, no posts discussing other posters, and no posts with no content. If you are simply agreeing with someone please add something else of value to the discussion.
It is not acceptable to accuse others of ramping simply because they take a bullish view of a stock. If you believe they are wrong, then your attack should be on their analysis, not them personally.
It is not acceptable to accuse others of downramping simply because they take a bearish view of a stock. If you believe they are wrong, then your attack should be on their analysis, not them personally.
Those taking a bullish or bearish view on ANY stock must post some analysis or reasoning to support their view.


I would urge everyone to please report posts that are in violation of the above points, or the commandments as outlined in the first post in this thread. The mods or I may not necessarily agree with your assessment of a particular post, but all reported posts are looked at.

Your co-operation in helping to maintain the constructive atmosphere and quality of posting here at ASF is very much appreciated!

gg

 

[nysefloortrader]

Could I copy this to another forum where all they do all day is abuse each other as an example of how it should be done ?

It might wake them up....perhaps not.

I think I know that one you are talking about.

The thing I love about us aussies are we are passionate even us traders.

The thing I hate is that passion can turn to bickering and hatred pretty fast, when tension run hot if you know what I mean.

 

[Joe Blow]

Recently I have been contacted by a number of ASF members who have noted an increasing amount of deliberate unpleasantness and nastiness directed at those with different political opinions or who advocate alternative trading or investment approaches. I should point out that as far as I can tell, those who adopt a deliberately antagonistic and confrontational posting style represent a very small percentage of the ASF membership, but their actions are disruptive, damage community cohesion, and may in some cases discourage others from contributing.

I have no objection to passionate, robust debate but I expect everyone to treat others with a basic level of respect, irrespective of their views and opinions. Let's not let ASF degenerate into pointless bickering, personal attacks, and rudeness. It is possible to disagree respectfully, and the end result is a much more civil and constructive discussion.

If you have some feedback to offer regarding this issue, please feel free to post it in this thread. I would be very disappointed to think that some ASF members are deliberately not posting because of the intimidatory posting styles of a very small minority. While I understand that occasionally people lose their temper and that some conflict is inevitable on an internet forum, I won't hesitate to come down hard on those who are routinely guilty of anti-social and deliberately rude and disruptive behaviour. It's not the kind of atmosphere I want here at ASF.

 

[Joe Blow]

Folks, please be nice to each other. Really. Most of the conflict and unpleasantness I come across in various threads always seems so unnecessary and in some cases it is so distressing that it causes people to leave ASF permanently.

If you disagree with someone please don't attack or insult them, but present your argument or alternative view in a polite and respectful way. This leads to constructive discussion and debate, while aggression and personal attacks lead to nothing but off topic posts, derailed threads and acrimony.

In the past we have lost some good members who contributed a lot of valuable content over this very issue, so please think very carefully before you post. If you feel angry and want to take a potshot at someone, have a break and go and do something relaxing for a while. The impulse to post a personal attack or insult is usually very fleeting and dissipates quickly.

I don't want to lose any more members because of this, nor do I want newcomers to be scared off when they are mocked for asking silly questions. Just please be nice to each other. It doesn't cost anything and makes ASF a much more pleasant place to visit.

 

[piggybank]

Folks, please be nice to each other. Really. Most of the conflict and unpleasantness I come across in various threads always seems so unnecessary and in some cases it is so distressing that it causes people to leave ASF permanently.

If you disagree with someone please don't attack or insult them, but present your argument or alternative view in a polite and respectful way. This leads to constructive discussion and debate, while aggression and personal attacks lead to nothing but off topic posts, derailed threads and acrimony.

In the past we have lost some good members who contributed a lot of valuable content over this very issue, so please think very carefully before you post. If you feel angry and want to take a potshot at someone, have a break and go and do something relaxing for a while. The impulse to post a personal attack or insult is usually very fleeting and dissipates quickly.

I don't want to lose any more members because of this, nor do I want newcomers to be scared off when they are mocked for asking silly questions. Just please be nice to each other. It doesn't cost anything and makes ASF a much more pleasant place to visit.

Hi Joe,

It's a pity that new members are not aware of this thread from the start!! I know it's a bit late for me as I have already stated in another thread this morning, that I have had enough of posting given the snide remarks other members (who haven't even met me) have made. Each to their own, but it is a shame that you are losing some good people including Country Lad who told me he was getting fed up with the antics of a small minority here. Thanks for your support in the short time I have been here, but it is a case here of the minority spoiling it for the vast majority.

Wishing you all the best for the future.

Regards
PB

 

[Joe Blow]

It's a pity that new members are not aware of this thread from the start!! I know it's a bit late for me as I have already stated in another thread this morning, that I have had enough of posting given the snide remarks other members (who haven't even met me) have made. Each to their own, but it is a shame that you are losing some good people including Country Lad who told me he was getting fed up with the antics of a small minority here. Thanks for your support in the short time I have been here, but it is a case here of the minority spoiling it for the vast majority.

Wishing you all the best for the future.

I'm sorry to hear of your decision piggybank. I think you contributed a lot to the ASF community and am sorry to see you go.

I think it's pretty much impossible to have a perfectly harmonious community when it's the size of ASF. On a forum of this size you always have a few recalcitrant individuals who are difficult to get along with or who are annoying in some way. Someone who one person may find annoying may be another's favourite poster. It's all relative, and extremely difficult to micromanage for that reason.

I like to think that the moderators and I are fairly vigilant when to comes to genuine trolls and troublemakers, but I can't guarantee you that you (or anyone else) will never be irritated or annoyed by some other ASF members. I think that's just part and parcel or being a member of a relatively large online community.

Anyway, I hope you will re-consider your decision and decide to participate again.

 

[Bill M]

I don't want to lose any more members because of this, nor do I want newcomers to be scared off when they are mocked for asking silly questions. Just please be nice to each other. It doesn't cost anything and makes ASF a much more pleasant place to visit.

This one gets on my goat a bit too. We were all new once, who cares if someone repeats a question again? I'd rather welcome them than give them a hard time about "how to use the search function". I don't know why some posters get their knickers in a knot over it, live and let live. If you don't like a thread then move on but don't bully the new people. Now back to the real estate thread to stir someone up.... only joking, ASF is the best investment forum in Australia.

 

[Julia]

I'm sorry to hear of your decision piggybank. I think you contributed a lot to the ASF community and am sorry to see you go.

+1. Hope you might reconsider, piggybank, though I do understand your reaction to the sort of sanctimonious stuff you received today.

This one gets on my goat a bit too. We were all new once, who cares if someone repeats a question again? I'd rather welcome them than give them a hard time about "how to use the search function". I don't know why some posters get their knickers in a knot over it, live and let live. If you don't like a thread then move on but don't bully the new people.

+1.
How about 'don't bully anyone at any time over anything".

If you feel obliged to have a go at someone, stop for a moment and consider how your remarks might impact the person you're addressing. The result will often be what we see here.

 

[Ves]

General chat has been particularly bad this week.

I can't be bothered trawling through it to find examples, but Joe if you care to look there's plenty of borderline and not so borderline racism in there.

Not really a great look for ASF.

 

[MrBurns]

General chat has been particularly bad this week.

I can't be bothered trawling through it to find examples, but Joe if you care to look there's plenty of borderline and not so borderline racism in there.

Not really a great look for ASF.

Islam is not a race.

 

[Joe Blow]

General chat has been particularly bad this week.

I can't be bothered trawling through it to find examples, but Joe if you care to look there's plenty of borderline and not so borderline racism in there.

Not really a great look for ASF.

It's always a tough call. There is definitely a real culture shift occurring in Australia and I think that shutting down people for expressing extreme, minority or unpopular views is always a difficult decision to make. I'm never sure what is worse, censorship or allowing views that some find offensive to be posted. I'd be interested in what the ASF community thinks about this issue. Where should the line be drawn?

I'm not OK with people advocating violence or deliberately promoting hateful ideologies... but some discussions are difficult to have and some issues are difficult to face. But do we have the discussions, or sweep them under the carpet?

I would prefer that people adopt a nuanced rather than a black and white approach to issues, but I can't insist upon it. ASF is a microcosm of Australia and there are those from all points on the political spectrum here. Some voices are moderate and some less so. But that is nothing more than a reflection of the wider community.

The big question is, at what point does something become unacceptable? I struggle with this idea and tend not to take a heavy handed approach unless things really get out of control.