The Biden Presidency

[Value Collector]

Looks like ASF has it's own version of Fox & Friends, with @wayneL, @DB008, @moXJO and @dutchie dragging out tenuous matters or plain lies.
First, @wayneL claims that Biden did a 180 degree turn on fracking, yet we find that this is an issue gone over many times in the media, and it has never been true. Next, his claim about "throwing women sports people under the bus" has nothing to do with women in sport, and everything to do with discriminatory laws relating to gender identity or sexual orientation. Finally, there is no covid duplicity as the twit McCain claims because Fauci never said masks "didn't work." Fauci has championed wearing masks in America, but his message was consistently undone by America's worst ever President.
@moXJO's point on START is way off beam as the START arms control treaty with Russia is about limiting both countries to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads rather than technology.

One thing I have learned over the last 4 years, is that you can’t have a proper conversation with these sorts of people, they have let their social media echo chamber feeds cabbage up their heads.

 

[wayneL]

Looks like ASF has it's own version of Fox & Friends, with @wayneL, @DB008, @moXJO and @dutchie dragging out tenuous matters or plain lies.
First, @wayneL claims that Biden did a 180 degree turn on fracking, yet we find that this is an issue gone over many times in the media, and it has never been true. Next, his claim about "throwing women sports people under the bus" has nothing to do with women in sport, and everything to do with discriminatory laws relating to gender identity or sexual orientation. Finally, there is no covid duplicity as the twit McCain claims because Fauci never said masks "didn't work." Fauci has championed wearing masks in America, but his message was consistently undone by America's worst ever President.
@moXJO's point on START is way off beam as the START arms control treaty with Russia is about limiting both countries to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads rather than technology.

Sorry mate, you are delusional, especially in respect to women's sport.

 

[wayneL]

One thing I have learned over the last 4 years, is that you can’t have a proper conversation with these sorts of people, they have let their social media echo chamber feeds cabbage up their heads.

Ah, before even trying to have a conversation, you go ad hom.

Hoist by your own petard bro.

 

[basilio]

Look at you having to resort to identity debating because of lack of substance. You want to actually look at the reality or are you still sucking rainbows out of Bidens ass.

Maybe try to understand why the Trump administration was trying to force better governance (What the Xuck!!!) while Biden actually hamstrung the US

Clearly MoXjo is trying to win the Biggest Troll of the Year Award with that piece of whimsy.
The Trump administration forcing better governance? Truly Trump wouldn't know what the word meant (except that it's intended to stop his corruption) and clearly Mo has no clue either.

What a total sick joke.

 

[dutchie]

Looks like ASF has it's own version of Fox & Friends, with @wayneL, @DB008, @moXJO and @dutchie dragging out tenuous matters or plain lies.
First, @wayneL claims that Biden did a 180 degree turn on fracking, yet we find that this is an issue gone over many times in the media, and it has never been true. Next, his claim about "throwing women sports people under the bus" has nothing to do with women in sport, and everything to do with discriminatory laws relating to gender identity or sexual orientation. Finally, there is no covid duplicity as the twit McCain claims because Fauci never said masks "didn't work." Fauci has championed wearing masks in America, but his message was consistently undone by America's worst ever President.
@moXJO's point on START is way off beam as the START arms control treaty with Russia is about limiting both countries to no more than 1,550 deployed nuclear warheads rather than technology.

Yes there was a similar group during Trumps four years. Hypocrite.

Oh hang on, their still at it.

 

[DB008]

BLM March in June 2020

Pandemic - what pandemic....

 

[Joe Blow]

There is zero discussion of The Biden Presidency in this thread. If this thread continues as it has been recently I will just close it.

All I see is doctored images, tweets from partisan sources and conspiracy theories.

Political "discussion" at ASF has reached an all-time low.

 

[SirRumpole]

There is zero discussion of The Biden Presidency in this thread. If this thread continues as it has been recently I will just close it.

All I see is doctored images, tweets from partisan sources and conspiracy theories.

Political "discussion" at ASF has reached an all-time low.

Maybe delete a few blatant propaganda posts as an example ?

Just my opinion.

 

[Joe Blow]

Maybe delete a few blatant propaganda posts as an example ?

Just my opinion.

Perhaps political "discussion" (and I use that term loosely) has run its course at ASF? This thread is the biggest waste of database space I think I have ever seen in almost seventeen years. I don't think any interesting debate or discussion is likely to happen in this thread, or any other political thread at ASF.

There's nothing of value, or of interest, going on here. It's an intellectual dead zone.

 

[rederob]

Perhaps political "discussion" (and I use that term loosely) has run its course at ASF? This thread is the biggest waste of database space I think I have ever seen in almost seventeen years. I don't think any interesting debate or discussion is likely to happen in this thread, or any other political thread at ASF.

There's nothing of value, or of interest, going on here. It's an intellectual dead zone.

Biden has already signed 19 Executive Orders and undertaken Administrative reforms to reshape America's fortunes.
Many of these relate specifically to covid issues, which Biden has placed on the top of his agenda for action. This includes addition economic assistance for individuals, families, and small businesses, plus state, local, tribal, and territorial governments - areas that were constantly overlooked by the previous Administration.
Biden is clearly going down the path of spending America out of its current woes. It's going to increase debt, but then again Trump's record was contrary to his promises, blowing out debt by some 36% during his term. Of all things to watch out for over the next few years is the extent that US debt spirals to such a high a level that other currencies are seen as more attractive.

 

[Joe Blow]

Biden has already signed 19 Executive Orders and undertaken Administrative reforms to reshape America's fortunes.

So there is plenty of topics relevant to The Biden Presidency to debate and discuss in this thread, but it seems not many are interested in seriously debating issues of policy. It's easier to post a tweet, a conspiracy theory, or a link to a partisan website.

I randomly chose a thread from 15 years ago titled Today's "anti-terrorist" raids and the difference between discussion then and now couldn't be more stark. That thread is content heavy, thoughtful, nuanced, respectful, and interesting. Even though there are some unpopular and perhaps fringe views expressed by one or two people.

How did we manage to arrive at a place where the "content" (again, I use the term loosely) in a political thread can consist primarily of ad hominem attacks, trolling, conspiracy theories, partisan tweets and photos of dubious origin?

Perhaps I can respectfully suggest that those who are not interested in engaging in genuine discussion and debate find another venue to post at. Most of what has been posted in this thread recently is embarrassing, and I'm not prepared to let it continue.

 

[Value Collector]

BLM March in June 2020

Pandemic - what pandemic....

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And this has relevance to Biden astutely minimising the audience at his inauguration for their own safety how?

do you really think those huge BLM protests where made up of trump supporters? If they weren’t then I don’t see why Biden’s purposely small crowd is any indication to the number of votes he got, because as your photos show it’s not hard to rally a massive crowd of anti trump people who probably would vote Biden even if they didn’t like him.

 

[SirRumpole]

China seems keen to test the new POTUS by ramping up military action in the South China sea.

China authorises coastguard to fire on foreign vessels in disputed waters

Chinese territorial claims in the East and South China Seas remain a source of tension with its neighbours and now the Chinese coastguard has been given the legal power to fire on foreign vessels in those waters.

www.abc.net.au

This is a big test for Biden, his biggest foreign policy challenge in my opinion.

What he does about it could well define the US place in the world under a Biden Presidency.

 

[rederob]

So there is plenty of topics relevant to The Biden Presidency to debate and discuss in this thread, but it seems not many are interested in seriously debating issues of policy. It's easier to post a tweet, a conspiracy theory, or a link to a partisan website.

I randomly chose a thread from 15 years ago titled Today's "anti-terrorist" raids and the difference between discussion then and now couldn't be more stark. That thread is content heavy, thoughtful, nuanced, respectful, and interesting. Even though there are some unpopular and perhaps fringe views expressed by one or two people.

How did we manage to arrive at a place where the "content" (again, I use the term loosely) in a political thread can consist primarily of ad hominem attacks, trolling, conspiracy theories, partisan tweets and photos of dubious origin?

Perhaps I can respectfully suggest that those who are not interested in engaging in genuine discussion and debate find another venue to post at. Most of what has been posted in this thread recently is embarrassing, and I'm not prepared to let it continue.

Yes, there is a lot of low hanging fruit to choose from, but we seem to be turning to vegetables.
What is not yet clear is how Biden intends to reshape US foreign policy, as this could return Australia to a better footing with China, given our present foreign policy is nowhere to be found. Biden called Xi a "thug," but Biden is smart enough to know that it's not about who you are dealing with, but how.
The other clear change that Biden is about to set in motion is his commitment to clean energy. Biden intends to invest $400 billion over ten years, as one part of a broad mobilization of public investment, in clean energy and innovation. What is quite interesting about this expenditure is that returns on investment in renewables is comparatively rapid and, unlike drilling for oil or gas, guarantees a positive outcome. Biden's recommitment to the Paris Agreement might also lead to a more broadly accepted need for all nations to treat climate change more seriously. A price on carbon, in some form, is looking inevitable.

 

[basilio]

There are so many big issues facing the Biden administration and the US just listing them is formidable. But to make an effort

• Gaining political legitimacy from the population after Trump refused to accept the clear election results and spent two months trashing Republican and Democrat States that returned Biden victories.
• Dealing with the political fallout of the Trump inspired attack on the Capitol. A previously unthinkable action but now a reality that can't be ignored.
• Getting on top of a still expanding COVID epidemic with a large number of the population refusing to believe it is that serious a problem
• Somehow keeping the economy functioning and avoiding widespread bankruptcies and evictions caused by COVID effects
• Re establishing the US place in the world which has largely reeled from the America First (second and third) policies of the previous administration.
• Dealing with the rupture in US China relations and trying to figure where to go politically and economically
• Identifying and tackling numerous legislative booby traps left by the previous administration to entrench their policies.

And no doubt a score more. Truly an Aegean stable challenge.

 

[SirRumpole]

Dealing with the political fallout of the Trump inspired attack on the Capitol. A previously unthinkable action but now a reality that can't be ignored.

Deciding whether to prosecute Trump and inflame his supporters again, or let the issue quietly die.

The actual invaders need to be prosecuted, but prosecuting Trump himself could be a dangerous move.

 

[moXJO]

Clearly MoXjo is trying to win the Biggest Troll of the Year Award with that piece of whimsy.
The Trump administration forcing better governance? Truly Trump wouldn't know what the word meant (except that it's intended to stop his corruption) and clearly Mo has no clue either.

What a total sick joke.

Typical bas. Did you know what they were actually trying to achieve?
Or just another rubbish post you seem to make by the hundred. The both of you didn't even attempt to even brief yourself on the subject. And I'm the one with no clue?

Seems the (minor) intellectuals are threatened and have to resort to a tear down.

 

[moXJO]

One thing I have learned over the last 4 years, is that you can’t have a proper conversation with these sorts of people, they have let their social media echo chamber feeds cabbage up their heads.

"These sorts of people"


That's basically a big "Fcuk you" statement to everyone on that list.

 

[moXJO]

Deciding whether to prosecute Trump and inflame his supporters again, or let the issue quietly die.

The actual invaders need to be prosecuted, but prosecuting Trump himself could be a dangerous move.

Before Trump was booted he actually enacted 10 year sentences to anyone who damaged federal buildings. It was meant for antifa, but little did he know.

 

[basilio]

Mo I have no idea what creative source you have been reading suggests that the Trump administration was promoting/forcing better governance.
The facts on the ground about how Trump governed make that a monstrous lie. If you won't see that reality not much point in even trying to discuss anything much is there ?
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Key indicators of Trump admin trashing good governance

• Appointing various family members to government positions with no effective skills or qualifications
• Using his position as President to enrich his family enterprises
• Undermining the capacity of the Us government to deal with the corona virus
• Attempting to strong arm State electoral officials to overturn the election results

and another thousand or so examples. His overall failure to ensure good goverance on basic administration activities is well summed up in the following article.

But this is a Biden presidency thread so maybe we refocus ?

Trump’s failed presidency

Elaine Kamarck writes that President Trump's failure to respond adequately to the pandemic is an example of a flaw shared by many modern presidents: an inability to shift gears from campaigning to actually governing. Results, she writes, not spin, will be what decides his fate at the ballot box.

www.brookings.edu