Do any of the knowledgeable people here know the success rate of Mary McKillop?
ie, how many people Mary McK prayed for for the three 'miracles'?
Is it the same as like someone entering the lotto all their life and eventually winning three times? On a redraw 100 years later?
Or, if someone got struck by lightening more than once perhaps?
Or, Collingwood winning a Grand Final?
THE celebration of Mary MacKillop's miracle cancer cures is a worrying example of the lack of scientific literacy in the community, says an expert in evidence-based medicine.
The question is not whether the NSW mother Kathleen Evans recovered from her cancer after praying to MacKillop but how many others prayed and did not go into remission, said Chris Del Mar, a professor of primary care research at Bond University
To assume that the person never ever prayed directly to God for a cure is beyond belief.
Well thats the Beauty in Religion, and Mary MacKillop was a Nun that dedicated her life to God and the people, helping the poor, educating the children, opening schools and centres, which in those times there would have been no help.
Had it not been for Religion, this wouldnt have been, which is the whole picture.
No one is denying she altruistically worked to make a great difference and deserves all credit for that.Well thats the Beauty in Religion, and Mary MacKillop was a Nun that dedicated her life to God and the people, helping the poor, educating the children, opening schools and centres, which in those times there would have been no help.
Had it not been for Religion, this wouldnt have been, which is the whole picture.
Even if one were to accept that (religious) miracles do happen, what I find most illogical about attributing the miracle to Mary MacKillop is that it assumes that the person cured ONLY prayed to Mary MacKillop (to intercede with God to grant a cure), but never ever prayed to God directly to grant a cure. Otherwise, why attribute the miracle to Mary MacKillop, when it would have been more likely (if one believed in this sort of thing) that it was God directly answering the person's prayers.
To assume that the person never ever prayed directly to God for a cure is beyond belief.
Though Mary MacKillop was undoubtedly a great woman, IMO it doesn't make sense that God would need persuasion to make a miracle.
The belief is that Saints (Canonised) have a greater influence on God himself. She is part of the recognised spiritual lobby group.
STOCKHOLM (AP) ”” A hatch on a Swedish church tower inadvertently left open for some three decades resulted in 2 tons of pigeon droppings amassing in the tower.
The church's property manager says the layer of droppings was 30 centimeters (12 inches) deep when it was discovered during a May inspection of the Heliga Trefaldighets Kyrka in Gavle, 170 kilometers (105 miles) north of Stockholm.
Lennart Helzenius said on Thursday that church staff had been shocked by the sheer number of bags of excrement cleaners were removing from the tower. He says the droppings filled 80 bags in the first round of cleaning, and then just as many in the second round.
Helzenius says the hatch had probably been left open since the 1980s.
After the vote to allow women bishops was narrowly defeated, the Church of England has agreed a compromise deal which will see the introduction of women Father Christmasses instead.
A majority of church members support the measure, arguing that women have more experience than men of dressing up in outlandish costumes.
But traditionalists say they have doubts over whether women Father Christmases will pass the Ho!Ho!Ho! test.
‘While children have traditionally accepted a bearded fat old man in a red and white costume,’ said one conservative churchgoer, ‘the addition of Christmassy t1ts may be a step too far.’
2 tons of pigeon droppings in Swedish church tower
Nov. 22 11:21 AM EST
I bet the Catholic church are praying that all their troubles have GUANO-way.
Even if one were to accept that (religious) miracles do happen, what I find most illogical about attributing the miracle to Mary MacKillop is that it assumes that the person cured ONLY prayed to Mary MacKillop (to intercede with God to grant a cure), but never ever prayed to God directly to grant a cure. Otherwise, why attribute the miracle to Mary MacKillop, when it would have been more likely (if one believed in this sort of thing) that it was God directly answering the person's prayers.
To assume that the person never ever prayed directly to God for a cure is beyond belief.
Though Mary MacKillop was undoubtedly a great woman, IMO it doesn't make sense that God would need persuasion to make a miracle.
Maybe Mary MacKillop was the medium to God. You know...sift out the good from the bad before it went upstairs for approval.
I actually have a piece of wood from the tree that stood out front of Mary MacKillop house in Yankalilla SA. Funny things happened in that town. Apparitions appeared on the local church wall. People would come from all over the world to pray and take home the holy water from the well out back. Bishop and followers parading down the main road.
Certainly didn't do my business any harm.
If it helps sick people get better whats the harm? Ye who has faith
of course - why has nobody else thought of that:
An omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god does need an army of helpers, mediums, secretaries. Doesn't every tycoon, minister, general manager of a multinational corporation need such an army of flappers? The bigger the boss, the larger the support crew.
Just proves the point that every tribe of humans create their god in their own image, outfitting him/her with attributes they're familiar with. And the more people relate to that image and "buy" it, the better for the merchants.
"nummus non olet.":
With Christmas around the corner, the beauty in religion is shown around the globe, Carols by candlelight sang around the country, nativity scenes in their alcoves, so beautiful to see.
St Francis of Assisi is one of my favourite saints, he loved animals, and I often go to the St Francis Church in Melbourne.
I love this time of year, families and friends gathering together enjoying its true meaning -- love one another as I have loved you -- peace, love and blessings.
Making that time for people that are alone.
God taught us to treat people as we want to be treated, help one another, and through religion and Church, Gods meaning moves on through our children and all future generations, and through our community.
Merry Christmas.
When a whole country experiences a revival of religion there is a great improvement in the society of that land. The virtues encouraged by religion are of great benefit to the whole of civilisation.
"That the tendency of virtue to promote the order of society, when we consider it coolly and philosophically, reflects a very great beauty upon it, cannot be called into question. Human society, when we contemplate it in a certain abstract and philosophical light, appears like a great, an immense machine, whose regular and harmonious movements produce a thousand agreeable effects. As in any other beautiful and noble machine that was the production of human art, whatever tended to render its movements more smooth and easy, would derive a beauty from this effect, and, on the contrary, whatever tended to obstruct them would displease upon that account: so virtue, which is, as it were, the fine polish to the wheels of society, necessarily pleases; while vice, like the vile rust, which makes them jar and grate upon one another, is as necessarily offensive." (Adam Smith)
A life of religious virtue is not a wretched existence of unhappiness, rather it is the means by which we, and all of those around us, may grow and prosper in love and peace.
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