The Albanese government

IFocus said:

Nah maybe talk to your doctor about your meds totally pointless ranting at me.

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Yes I can understand that, i'm nearly 70 on no meds, so you're probably right.

You just keep toking on your'e smugness, telling everyone how hard it is for those less fortunate and how you feel for them.

IFocus said:

Simple problem the Coalition have as prime examples is removing penalty rates for the lowest paid, then there is the Coalitions ardent objection to every single minimum wage rise ever.

The Coalition has continually formed policies to undermine conditions and wages for cheap labor.

Howard and Costello were classic examples as Keating pointed out they were just a couple of mugs that got lucky.

And TBH I dont think Labor have covered themselves in glory either but head and shoulders in effort above the Coalition.

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Two issues here:

The distribution of wealth. Frontline workers versus managers versus owners. Government versus individuals. One state versus another sate. City versus rural. etc.

The creation of wealth in the first place.

Debate seems so focused on the former that we're completely forgetting about the latter. We'll have an excellent system for distributing but nothing to distribute.

Smurf1976 said:

Two issues here:

The distribution of wealth. Frontline workers versus managers versus owners. Government versus individuals. One state versus another sate. City versus rural. etc.

The creation of wealth in the first place.

Debate seems so focused on the former that we're completely forgetting about the latter. We'll have an excellent system for distributing but nothing to distribute.

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Maybe, but that bit Mick put up about the gold standard change being the start of the big move of unequal distribution of wealth appears to be at least wide spread in the western world not just Australia.

CEO earning verse's frontline workers earnings multiples has gotten ridiculous.

IFocus said:

Maybe, but that bit Mick put up about the gold standard change being the start of the big move of unequal distribution of wealth appears to be at least wide spread in the western world not just Australia.

CEO earning verse's frontline workers earnings multiples has gotten ridiculous.

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AND IS NOW ON STERIODS.

IFocus said:

Maybe, but that bit Mick put up about the gold standard change being the start of the big move of unequal distribution of wealth appears to be at least wide spread in the western world not just Australia.

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It's all related.

Loss of productive industry, living beyond our means, going off the gold standard so as to engage in massive inflation, running up debt, selling off assets and so on. They're all interrelated actions.

Eg if we still had productive industry and lived within our means well then we don't need the inflation and debt and in that case the gold standard is entirely workable.

As has historically been the case, very, very few people win from inflation, it tends to lead to an extreme concentration of wealth in the hands of very few whilst most lose everything. So far, this time looks like following that historical pattern.

As we enter the second hal of 2024, its instructive to have a look at some of the promises made by the current regime.
Unsurprisingly, despite the fanfare, the media, and "we have a mandate" memes, nothing has been acieved.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

As we enter the second hal of 2024, its instructive to have a look at some of the promises made by the current regime.
Unsurprisingly, despite the fanfare, the media, and "we have a mandate" memes, nothing has been acieved.
Mick
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Well that would be a hard bar for both major parties to clear, but this CFMEU issue is dynamite, they are talking Government contracts, bribery and corruption in the same breath.
One would think that has to be a top tier integrity issue, the small target, has gone into turtle mode.

Lucky they didn't introduce the National Integrity Commission, they might have been the first job for it?

First we had Scomo saying "not my job", now we have Albo saying" not my email".

Just another case of the pot, finding out its butt is the same colour as the Kettles.
You just have to love politics, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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From the article:
On Tuesday there were further allegations published in the Nine papers that Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and now Victorian Premier Allan were made aware of the allegations two years ago.

The Prime Minister's Office said that complaint was sent to an inactive email.

The planned departure of two ministers (Burnie and O'Connor) at the next election gives the Prime Minister a chance for a reshuffle and perhaps a bit of a renewal.
The next election must be held prior to Sptember 25 2025, still more than a year off.
But that of course never deters some from suggesting an early election is imminent.
There was some talk within the QLD LNP that there was a window in late 2024 just after the QLD election, but window seems to have been boarded up.
This parliamentary term has seen quite a few defections, retirements and sackings that make the next lineup of parliamentary pretenders somewhat different to the last one.
Here is a list of all the changes in personnel or allegiance since the last election.


First cab off the rank was Nationals MP for Calare , Andrew Gere, who left the party on 23 December 2022, and became an Independent, following the party's decision to publicly oppose the Voice. This meant that the Crossbench increased to 17 seats with the Coalition decreasing to 57 seats.

On 6 February 2023, GreensSenator Lidia Thorpe resigned from the party to sit as an Independant

On 1 April 2023, Labor's Mary Doyele won the Ashton by election following the resignation of sitting Liberal MP Alan Tudge.
The result marked the first time that an incumbent government won a seat from the Opposition since the 1920.

In May 2023, incumbent LNP member Sturat Roberts resigned, triggering a byelection in the seat of Fadden. The seat was won by Liberal National candidate Cameron Caldwell.
Also in May 2023, Dai Le , the independent member for the seat of Fowler, along with Fairfield Mayor Frank carbonne, formed their own political party, the Dai Le and Frank Carbonne network.

On 15 June 2023, Liberal Party Senator David Van was expelled from the party but remained in the Senate as an Independant.

On 14 November 2023, following a party preselection defeat, Liberal Party MP Russel Broadbent left the party to sit on the crossbench.

On 4 December 2023, Labor Party MP Peta Murphy died of cancer, leaving Labor with 77 seats.

On 28 February 2024, former Prime Minister and Liberal MP Scomo abandoned parliament.

On 1 March 2024, Labor Senator Linda White died. She was replaced by Lisa Damanian. Technically , no change in numbers.

On 2 March 2024, Labor Party candidateJodie Belaya retained the seat of Dunkley in a by election.

On 28 March 2024, Senator Tammy Tyrell quit the Jacqui Lambert Network to sit as an Iindependant.

On 13 April 2024, Liberal Party candidate Simon Kennedy retained Scomo's old seat of Cook in another by election.

On 19 April 2024, Greens Senator Janet Rice resigned. She was replaced by Steph Hodgins-May.

On 4 July 2024, Labor Senator Fatima Payman quit the Labor Party to sit as an Independent.

So at the end of it all, in the reps, Labour gained a seat, the coalition lost 3, and independents gained 2.
In the senate , labour , the coalition and the greens along with the Jackie Lambie network lost a seat each.
the big winner was the independents who went from 1 to 5.
At the next Senate election, David Van is up for re-election, whereas the other defectors will be in the next half senate election.
Whoever has to govern after thios election, they are going to have to deal with a lot of cross benchers.
Mick

Interesting, Uncle Paul not happy.


In defence and foreign policy, this is not a Labor government," Mr Keating said.

"This is a party which has adopted the defence and foreign policies of the Morrison Liberal government.

Your government supports terrorism

Hey Horace, I hear on the grapevine they are sending them all out to Orange. Got a spare room?

wayneL said:

Hey Horace, I hear on the grapevine they are sending them all out to Orange. Got a spare room?

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Do you actually believe that the government supports terrorism wayne or are you just being rhetorical?

SirRumpole said:

Do you actually believe that the government supports terrorism wayne or are you just being rhetorical

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I believe they are ideologically blinded. Are they actively supporting terrorism, no, I do not think so, at least I hope not.

But by their ideology, they substantively increase the possibility of terrorism in Australia by welcoming people who are very potentially terrorists.

Do I believe that they are aware of this possibility? Yes I most certainly do, therefore complicit in any future attacks.

wayneL said:

I believe they are ideologically blinded. Are they actively supporting terrorism, no, I do not think so, at least I hope not.

But by their ideology, they substantively increase the possibility of terrorism in Australia by welcoming people who are very potentially terrorists.

Do I believe that they are aware of this possibility? Yes I most certainly do, therefore complicit in any future attacks.

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If you had said that in the first place I probably would have agreed.

However, I think we could take a limited number of children on temporary protection visas without significant security risk.

And don't forget that the LNP bought in 12,000 from Syria, some of whom later went off to fight for Islamic State.

wayneL said:

I believe they are ideologically blinded. Are they actively supporting terrorism, no, I do not think so, at least I hope not.

But by their ideology, they substantively increase the possibility of terrorism in Australia by welcoming people who are very potentially terrorists.

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I think that applies to a lot of issues.

Political leaders seem incredibly naive and accepting of things at face value. It's a childlike approach - they said they won't do anything bad and I have their word for it so all OK then.

I think it comes down to the reality that far too many have lived what can only be described as a sheltered life prior to becoming MP's, they just don't have first hand experience of the realities of life. That's what's really meant by the term "elites" - not necessarily outright rich, but sheltered from reality in a manner that's dangerous.

SirRumpole said:

And don't forget that the LNP bought in 12,000 from Syria, some of whom later went off to fight for Islamic State.

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Indeed. I have not forgotten, nor will I ever forget... Or forgive. One of the many reasons that I doubt I will *ever vote for the Liberal Party ever again.

I would certainly support temporary visas for orphaned children on the proviso that they are reunited with their family and culture, but that is not what is happening.

Smurf1976 said:

I think that applies to a lot of issues.

Political leaders seem incredibly naive and accepting of things at face value. It's a childlike approach - they said they won't do anything bad and I have their word for it so all OK then.

I think it comes down to the reality that far too many have lived what can only be described as a sheltered life prior to becoming MP's, they just don't have first hand experience of the realities of life. That's what's really meant by the term "elites" - not necessarily outright rich, but sheltered from reality in a manner that's dangerous.

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I actually hate the term "elite", it is a misnomer. There is nothing elite about 99% of politicians. Even those who have attained this status of elite in their own fields have no qualifications in public administration.

I will take the example of Kali Stegel. She was clearly an elite athlete, however nothing about that, apart from the notoriety, qualifies her in any way to be a public administrator/policy maker.

In fact in such regard she is evidently an absolute imbecile who should be retired to playing bridge and reminiscing about triple backflips with a half twist with dementia patients.

There are many others in this vein.

Smurf1976 said:

I think it comes down to the reality that far too many have lived what can only be described as a sheltered life prior to becoming MP's, they just don't have first hand experience of the realities of life.

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Lawyers and economists usually.

Your government supports terrorism. Has done for decades.

After all, Israel is a terrorist group.

I think it is all about optics, politicians have to cover all voter bases, so they have to be seen to pander to Palestinian sympathisers and Israel sympathisers.
It's just a numbers game IMO.
AS with the voice, if there is a backlash it will be dropped like a hot potato, if there is no backlash, keep harvesting votes.