The Albanese government

[sptrawler]

Morrison would be in competition with Abbott as Australias worst PM.

Utterly deceitful at every turn while doing very little.

That would be your unbiased, objective, non politically aligned observation I take it.

Funny how most of your observations are made on a personal and personality basis, yet both Abbott and Morrison are still with their original long term partners, that at least shows on a personal basis they must be o.k to live with and very probably not deceitful. So extrapolating things on a personal basis, how many Labor leaders can say the same?
Not that personality traits should come into it, but as you did bring it into the debate, it does raise the question.

 

[sptrawler]

So Albanese is hard at work fixing the mess left by 10 years of Coalition playing internal politics talking tough on China.

Lets not forget, that they are also trying to clean up the mess, left by Labor the time before them and so it goes on.

Hopefully Albo gets to spend a decent time in, then people can judge them, at the moment there isn't much happening on any front, except a lot of rhetoric and a massive population growth.

 

[IFocus]

That would be your unbiased, objective, non politically aligned observation I take it.

Funny how most of your observations are made on a personal and personality basis, yet both Abbott and Morrison are still with their original long term partners, that at least shows on a personal basis they must be o.k to live with and very probably not deceitful. So extrapolating things on a personal basis, how many Labor leaders can say the same?
Not that personality traits should come into it, but as you did bring it into the debate, it does raise the question.

Morrison secret minister for everything and Abbott just flat out lied, outsourced the PM job to Cretlin and couldn't pass a budget take your pick

 

[sptrawler]

Morrison secret minister for everything and Abbott just flat out lied, outsourced the PM job to Cretlin and couldn't pass a budget take your pick

Morrison was the goto person for everything by the media, from covid numbers, vaccines, costings, to bushfires and if he couldn't answer questions the media carved him up.
In reality he had no options but to be read into all the critical portfolios during a crisis of that magnitude, the media never approached the ministers responsible for an individual departments.
Morrison really had no other option, other than let the media run circles around him, which was obviously their intent. So really it was the lesser of two evils, but I have no doubt you understand it anyway, but that's another issue.

Abbott called a spade a spade and the media didn't like it, wasn't it him that said something about welfare shouldn't be a lifestyle choice and we have too many leaners and not enough lifters, as though that will go down well in Australia, Lol it's too close to home.

Also Abbot lacked charisma and struggled to articulate quickly his thoughts, so was never going to last long in the top job, not a comfortable fit.

As for Credlin, I haven't heard her but apparently she is doing well in the media, so therefore she would be no muppet. If Abbott had her as his chief of staff I would think he would delegate a lot of work her way that he felt was in her scope of work and competence. Or are you inferring just because he is the P.M, he would naturally be more intelligent than her?

As for 'couldn't pass a budget', well as you know it was going to cut welfare and also as you know the only ones who can get away with that are Labor. So that is really why he had to go, get 'selfie' Malcolm in there, the media just had to put a camera on him and he was putty in their hands. Lol then everyone was happy for a while.

But didn't you notice in your response, you criticise Morrison for taking on board responsibility and then in the next breath you criticise Abbott for delegating responsibility.

I certainly hope you are more consistent in your assessment of people, in your day to day life.

 

[mullokintyre]

Lot of ideaology and opinion on this thread.
Not much fact.
Mick

 

[IFocus]

Lot of ideaology and opinion on this thread.
Not much fact.
Mick

That's no way to talk about SP

 

[sptrawler]

Lot of ideaology and opinion on this thread.
Not much fact.
Mick

Well there isn't much of substance to talk about is there, unless you are into travel.

To keep the thread active, we are having to talk about past P.M's.

To get back on topic, in todays SMH.

Flights, cameras, action: Anthony Albanese travels to a restless China

One in five Chinese people aged between 16 and 24 is now unemployed and unwilling to spend. Young people also have few opportunities to speak out.

www.smh.com.au

 

[SirRumpole]

Never let the fact s get in the way of a good opinion.

 

[SirRumpole]

interesting that Chalmers bought into the debate about not being able to meet our emissions targets.

Thats indirectly criticising Chris Bowen. So much for Cabinet solidarity.

 

[sptrawler]

interesting that Chalmers bought into the debate about not being able to meet our emissions targets.

Thats indirectly criticising Chris Bowen. So much for Cabinet solidarity.

Jockeying for position and wedging the opposition for the top job, if it becomes available.
Poor old Chris will be left holding the bunny, yet again, he showed a lot of promise early but has been given bad rides.
I quite like him, but he must be getting disappointed, Bill gave him the job of selling the franking credits gig and Albo gave him the god awful job of completely rebuilding the electrical grid in 6 years.

 

[SirRumpole]

Jockeying for position and wedging the opposition for the top job, if it becomes available.
Poor old Chris will be left holding the bunny, yet again, he showed a lot of promise early but has been given bad rides.
I quite like him, but he must be getting disappointed.

Chalmers is definitely making a play for the defacto leadership. Marles and Albo had better watch their backs.

What a laugh if he ends up like Costello.

 

[sptrawler]

Chalmers is definitely making a play for the defacto leadership. Marles and Albo had better watch their backs.

What a laugh if he ends up like Costello.

The thing with Chalmers he keeps low key and hasn't made any promises or predictions, very wise move, how many times have promises and predictions come back to bite politicians on the ar$e.
The only thing that can catch him out is inflation and now Lowe has gone Chalmers comes into focus.

 

[SirRumpole]

The thing with Chalmers he keeps low key and hasn't made any promises or predictions, very wise move, how many times have promises and predictions come back to bite politicians on the ar$e.
The only thing that can catch him out is inflation and now Lowe has gone Chalmers comes into focus.

Someone who the Opposition can't latch onto about his key beliefs because he hasn't got any.

He was conspicuous by his absence in the Voice campaign, he knows a dog of a policy when he sees one.

 

[joeno]

What can we do to stop the insane levels of immigration? Especially from certain countries that start with the letter "I"? I'm so frustrated with western governments. They obviously don't do what the people want. Just the damn corporate interests looking for cheap labour!!!!!

 

[Sean K]

What can we do to stop the insane levels of immigration? Especially from certain countries that start with the letter "I"? I'm so frustrated with western governments. They obviously don't do what the people want. Just the damn corporate interests looking for cheap labour!!!!!

Labor are importing votes. I think that's their only logic with what's going on. It's certainly not about building the economy, fixing a housing crisis, or stopping inflation.

On another note, I think this thread title should be changed to 'Where is Airbus?'

I have to say though, the Cook Islands are nice. Especially Aitutaki. The lagoon is spectacular. Not quite as nice as Tahiti and Bora Bora, but very close. If I was PM I'd definitely be doing a stop over to Rarotonga on the way home from Beijing. It's obviously directly en route on the way home, so why not? Hang on....

 

[Smurf1976]

What can we do to stop the insane levels of immigration?

Fully agree.

And to be clear my point isn't about race, it's simply about numbers.

We've become a country where it's possible to be simultaneously employed full time and homeless, money can't guarantee you a roof over your head.

We should never have reached that point in the absence of a major natural disaster or war.

 

[wayneL]

Rece

Fully agree.

And to be clear my point isn't about race, it's simply about numbers.

Notwithstanding your point about numbers (absolutely correct).
Recent events disagree about race, or more accurately, culture/religion.

There is a high chance this will become more acutely obvious in the next little while.

 

[Sean K]

Rece Notwithstanding your point about numbers (absolutely correct).
Recent events disagree about race, or more accurately, culture/religion.

There is a high chance this will become more acutely obvious in the next little while.

Numbers are just wrong. Was this Labor's plan all along? What's the actual strategy? I can't find one. Must be a certain number from a certain place with a certain skill set, etc. Plus, purely humanitarian numbers. But, where's the plan? Surely we have one.

On the racial side, we did have a white Australia policy for a long time. I think we might have been worried about how many Chinese rushed to the gold fields in the 1850s and on Federation decided we wanted to be Anglo-Celtic. Lucky we let in all those Italians and Greeks after WW2 and the Vietnamese after 1975. Otherwise we wouldn't know what an Espresso, Moussaka or a Banh Mi was. Yet to see what we're importing of any value these days.

 

[Smurf1976]

Notwithstanding your point about numbers (absolutely correct).
Recent events disagree about race, or more accurately, culture/religion.

Noted - my point though is even if 100% were from (say) the UK and other Western countries, it would still be a problem simply due to the sheer number.

Issues with culture etc are additional to the problem of sheer numbers.

 

[SirRumpole]

Fully agree.

And to be clear my point isn't about race, it's simply about numbers.

We've become a country where it's possible to be simultaneously employed full time and homeless, money can't guarantee you a roof over your head.

We should never have reached that point in the absence of a major natural disaster or war.

Immigration is a Ponzi scheme. If w e bring in more migrants to take care of our ageing population those migrants will get old and we need to bring in more to take care of them.

The reason our young people aren't breeding enough is financial. High house prices and rents high Hecs debt , so who can afford to have kids unless they are on welfare ? The same issues apply to migrants and their children.

The structural problems have to be solved first, otherwise we will get further into the merde.