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rumpole said:
Obviously they will be fixing their business model in other countries. There goes jobs and skills here.
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And can you blame them from taking their business to other countries?

And now the unions are crying out for government assistance to help those businesses who can't make a profit due to high cost and over regualted requirements.

Have you ever been in business rumpole?

I have for 43 years and I am well aware of the pitfalls and I have never worked 38 hours a week.....more like 60 and 70 hours over 6 days and sometimes 7.
 
rumpole said:
So why are you still here if it's so bad ?
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Oh yes, the economy is bad alright thanks to Rudd/ Gillard/ Rudd...you got that right.

I was fortunate to be able to retire before the Labor Party took over in November 2007......If I had stayed in business under those goons I would most likely have gone broke.
 
rumpole said:
Not now that Abbott is PM, no.
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This is not Abbotts fault.....he has only been in office for 5 months......the ones that are pulling out are the ones who kept putting their grubby hands out for subsidies to help them over come high costs created by your beloved unions.....But the well has dried up and the subsidies have stopped.....we don't need large overseas corporations like Ford, Holden and Toyota who who can't stand on their own two feet. Why should profitable companies and tax payers keep giving handouts for non profitable companies?

Manufacturing has been in decline since the early 1970's thanks to the communist dominated trade unions..
 
noco said:
Manufacturing has been in decline since the early 1970's thanks to the communist dominated trade unions..
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I doubt if communism has much to do with trade unions, just greed, same as overpaid company directors who get bonuses for bankrupting their companies.
 
sptrawler said:
Here's a chart from the ABC website, showing job loses in manufacturing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/manufacturing-chart-provided-by-aig/5264452
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Can we blame government policy for the losses under Labor ? I would say the GFC would have had a lot to do with it, plus the Rudd governments adroit handling of the stimulus packages, shielding the economy from recession thereby creating a safe haven for money here and driving up the dollar. So losses in manufacturing jobs would be a side effect of a good policy. Pity the attempts to create a quasi sovereign wealth wealth fund via a mining tax to protect the $AUD was so opposed by vested interests.

Also interesting how the jobs rose as soon as Rudd got in, following a downtrend in the Howard years untill the GFC bit.
 
rumpole said:
Can we blame government policy for the losses under Labor ? I would say the GFC would have had a lot to do with it, plus the Rudd governments adroit handling of the stimulus packages, shielding the economy from recession thereby creating a safe haven for money here and driving up the dollar. So losses in manufacturing jobs would be a side effect of a good policy. Pity the attempts to create a quasi sovereign wealth wealth fund via a mining tax to protect the $AUD was so opposed by vested interests.

Also interesting how the jobs rose as soon as Rudd got in, following a downtrend in the Howard years untill the GFC bit.
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Yes, I think it's a shame we didn't get another term of Labor. They were about to turn the corner.:D
 
rumpole said:
At least it took them six years to get rid of two car makers, it only took Abbott two months
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That's very true, if Labor were in they would have given them more money.
Probably the $100million they took of Qantas, in carbon tax.
Oh no, they couldn't do that, because Qantas needs a handout also.
 
noco said:
Have you ever been in business rumpole?

I have for 43 years and I am well aware of the pitfalls and I have never worked 38 hours a week.....more like 60 and 70 hours over 6 days and sometimes 7.
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You must be f*cking loaded then, Noco?

And if your not, then your management skills must have been worse than the Labor Party that you whinge about all the bloody time.
 
Interesting the Abbott Govt expected the SPC workers to be reduced to the minimum award pay rate before the Govt would be willing to provide assistance.

* How is this attitude compatible with Abbott defending Don Randall and his $5000 2 hour meeting, or claiming work expenses for being at a friends' wedding? Easy for a PM on $500K to say, or a lowly backbencher on $195K.

* The total blindness to the overall loss of competitiveness in Australia due to high land and rent, high utilities and the cripplingly high AUD. Also a decade or more of minimal infrastructure investment is holding us back.

Wage growth outside the resource sector over the last 5 years has been minuscule (except CEOs and Politicians) compared to land price inflation and 50%+ growth cost of utilities due partly to over investment. RET and carbon tax are way down the list of cost push pressures too.
 
sydboy007 said:
Interesting the Abbott Govt expected the SPC workers to be reduced to the minimum award pay rate before the Govt would be willing to provide assistance.

* How is this attitude compatible with Abbott defending Don Randall and his $5000 2 hour meeting, or claiming work expenses for being at a friends' wedding? Easy for a PM on $500K to say, or a lowly backbencher on $195K.

* The total blindness to the overall loss of competitiveness in Australia due to high land and rent, high utilities and the cripplingly high AUD. Also a decade or more of minimal infrastructure investment is holding us back.

Wage growth outside the resource sector over the last 5 years has been minuscule (except CEOs and Politicians) compared to land price inflation and 50%+ growth cost of utilities due partly to over investment. RET and carbon tax are way down the list of cost push pressures too.
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That's capitalism at work, we're just lucky there isn't 50million of us, it would be ten times worse.

Politics is full of lawyers, bankers, accountants, that tells you, it's either a lucrative scam or they weren't very good at their real job.
 
sydboy007 said:
Interesting the Abbott Govt expected the SPC workers to be reduced to the minimum award pay rate before the Govt would be willing to provide assistance.

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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ilout-union-officials-say-20140219-3314e.html

An extract from the article below,

If SPC Ardmona workers had been moved on to the award, pay for a level-two process worker would have been cut from about $50,000 a year to $33,000. For higher-paid maintenance workers, the falls would have been even more dramatic, dropping from as much as $85,000 a year to about $50,000.


So actually, Abbott wasn't telling lies when he said the workers had lucrative above award conditions.

It sounds as though they amount to about 75% loading on the base wage.
 
sptrawler said:
That's capitalism at work, we're just lucky there isn't 50million of us, it would be ten times worse.

Politics is full of lawyers, bankers, accountants, that tells you, it's either a lucrative scam or they weren't very good at their real job.
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Composition of present Federal Parliament;

Previous occupation


Number
Percentage*
Business executives, managers, self-employed business people, company directors, etc.
57
25%

Barristers, solicitors, lawyers, legal officers, etc
30
13%
Political consultants, advisers and lobbyists
32
14%
Party and union administrators
22
10%
Party and union officials
14
6%
Members of state/territory legislatures
13
6
Public service/policy administrators
10
4%
Other administrators/consultants
9
4%
Farmers, graziers and other (full-time) primary producers
8
4%
Researchers, research assistants, electorate and project officers
8
4%
Lecturers, teachers, tutors
5
2%
Medical practitioners, dentists, nurses
4
2%
Local government officials
3
1%
Other
11
5%
Total
226
100%

You will notice that those from private enterprise i.e. the people who get things done, and are almost entirely on the Coalition benches are vastly outnumbered by;
Barristers, solicitors, lawyers, legal officers, etc. Political consultants, advisers and lobbyist. Party and union administrators. Party and union officials, public servants etc...and these worthies dominate the Labor benches


http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1314/43rdParl
 
sptrawler said:
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ilout-union-officials-say-20140219-3314e.html

An extract from the article below,

If SPC Ardmona workers had been moved on to the award, pay for a level-two process worker would have been cut from about $50,000 a year to $33,000. For higher-paid maintenance workers, the falls would have been even more dramatic, dropping from as much as $85,000 a year to about $50,000.


So actually, Abbott wasn't telling lies when he said the workers had lucrative above award conditions.

It sounds as though they amount to about 75% loading on the base wage.
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Depends what was bumping up their pay. I get around 25% extra grosse pay each year due to working nights and weekends and public holidays.

I don't consider those payments as being lucrative but fair compensation for wearing my body out faster due to the constant flipping of my body clock and the anti social late shift and weekend work.

It's the rank hypocrisy of a group of people on a minimum of $195K calling for workers already earning atleast 75% less to take a pay cut. This is the group of politicians who received 3 payrises over 16 months (IIRC).

How about Abbott and his colleges pledge to accept no pay rise till:

* Budget is balanced - according to Pyne it's a simple matter

* 4 qtrs of real per capita GDP growth

When / if they achieve that then I'd consider them deserving of a pay rise. They're already in the top 5% of income earners of Australia.
 
sydboy007 said:
Depends what was bumping up their pay. I get around 25% extra grosse pay each year due to working nights and weekends and public holidays.

I don't consider those payments as being lucrative but fair compensation for wearing my body out faster due to the constant flipping of my body clock and the anti social late shift and weekend work.

It's the rank hypocrisy of a group of people on a minimum of $195K calling for workers already earning atleast 75% less to take a pay cut. This is the group of politicians who received 3 payrises over 16 months (IIRC).

How about Abbott and his colleges pledge to accept no pay rise till:

* Budget is balanced - according to Pyne it's a simple matter

* 4 qtrs of real per capita GDP growth

When / if they achieve that then I'd consider them deserving of a pay rise. They're already in the top 5% of income earners of Australia.
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That last 40% payrise was outrageous, obviously having inside knowledge of the state of the economy, convinced Labor and Liberal to accept the money. Shows how politicians have a thick skin.

However getting away from the emotive side of it, Australia does have to stop chasing its tail with pay rises.
Only large companies can afford to pay them, but they still filter through to the general cost of living for everyone.
Meanwhile small companies have to lay people off because they're not making enough.
It will end badly unless workers and business get into a profit sharing model. Where pay rises are linked to improved profits.
Sounds easy, but it will be just about imposible to implement.
 
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