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sptrawler said:
You need a reality check.
What would have happened if Abbott's minders had set up a riot against Gillard.
What would have happened if Abott stood up in parliament and ranted that Gillard is just a man hater. Remember the uproar in the papers when Abbott said to Gillard "you're a piece of work".Yet the garbage she spewed out without foundation or proof, was hailed as long overdue.
You need to look back through the SMH, Age and ABC to see what a media campaign looks like.lol

You can tell how bad Labor was in government by the fall in support for a republic. People have seen how bad it could be, if meglamaniacs were given absolute control.:2twocents
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Stop banging on about how Tony Abbott is some angel, the chosen one, butter would not melt in his mouth.

Politics is a fiery business and Gillard was no angel, nor Abbott.

A fair judge would say that fighting fire with fire is the order of the day.

We are all biased, but some just cant see it.
 
Knobby22 said:
Amanda was a very good minister and I wish she hadn't retired. There are too many B team ministers at the moment. I hope Abbott considers a reshuffle, there is plenty of talent waiting at the wings.
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The numbers game inside the party room is stopping any real move of talent to the front bench Abbott has a lot of IOU's to pay back.
 
Macquack said:
Stop banging on about how Tony Abbott is some angel, the chosen one, butter would not melt in his mouth.

Politics is a fiery business and Gillard was no angel, nor Abbott.

A fair judge would say that fighting fire with fire is the order of the day.

We are all biased, but some just cant see it.
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O.K YOU give me an example of Abbott 'losing it' or giving someone a spray.

Yet you all had a great time calling him the 'mad monk', the 'head banger'.

I personaly don't give a rats about Abbott, but I do get sick of people making out that Gillard and Swan etc have a right to label Abbott.
Then have a group of morons take up the chorus.

Life is full of big mouthed bullies tagging people and the little hangers on chanting along behind. That's why the unions, gets away with what they do.:D
 
IFocus said:
The numbers game inside the party room is stopping any real move of talent to the front bench Abbott has a lot of IOU's to pay back.
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So how does that relate to Amanda Vanstone, other than a cheap baseless shot.:D

I see even Faifax are starting to give Hockey a bit of credit.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...ment-muchneeded-direction-20140203-31xbo.html

Yet they couldn't help themselves from having a cheap stupid shot in the opening statement.
'Hockey is supplying something the Abbott government has been lacking - a purpose'

Yet they have effectively implimented a border policy that has reduced the inflow of boats from Indonesia.
Which Labor couldn't reduce in six years, that has been done in six months.
Labor and the greens said it couldn't be done.
We are fortunate,IMO, that the general public isn't as dumb as Labor think.
 
Also, while I'm in rant mode, if Abbott and Hockey had jumped in to bail out Ford, Holden and SPC.

All and sundry would be claiming the coalition is helping their mates in big business.lol

Now that Shorten is saying they would bail out Ford and Holden, also Wong saying they would bail out SPC, the silence is deafening.lol,lol,lol

What a classic.:xyxthumbs
 
sptrawler said:
Also, while I'm in rant mode, if Abbott and Hockey had jumped in to bail out Ford, Holden and SPC.

All and sundry would be claiming the coalition is helping their mates in big business.lol

Now that Shorten is saying they would bail out Ford and Holden, also Wong saying they would bail out SPC, the silence is deafening.lol,lol,lol

What a classic.:xyxthumbs
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I heard about the SPC Ardmona EBA's today. Wow. No wonder some big business are going under, have you seen the working conditions (spectacular to say the least). Talk about uncompetitive on the world stage....
 
DB008 said:
I heard about the SPC Ardmona EBA's today. Wow. No wonder some big business are going under, have you seen the working conditions (spectacular to say the least). Talk about uncompetitive on the world stage....
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No I haven't, but maybe it is a reflection of the Labor Party trying to buy union membership, at the cost of the taxpayer.
It's as easy to draw that conclusion, as it is that Liberals bail out big business, because they're mates.
The older you get, the more cynical you get.lol
It cracked me up the other day, when I read Craig Thomson was a lawyer.lol Health Services Union secretary OMG
Didn't know he shouldn't be spending members money on prostitutes.OMG
I thought he was just a bloke, who worked his way up from the shop floor and was caught with his hands in the till.
Then he is in parliament representing us.lol
 
DB008 said:
I heard about the SPC Ardmona EBA's today. Wow. No wonder some big business are going under, have you seen the working conditions (spectacular to say the least). Talk about uncompetitive on the world stage....
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Yes, and I reflect again on my past posts. This was all started by the communist dominated unions in the 50's and the 60's and the unions thuggery still exists today....The communist dominated unions don't give a dam about the workers or the economy of Australia. All they are interested in is crippling our economy and this was high lighted in the Rudd/ Gillard era in the past 6 years and they nearly succeeded......stopped in time by the public electing a new Government.
 
noco said:
Yes, and I reflect again on my past posts. This was all started by the communist dominated unions in the 50's and the 60's and the unions thuggery still exists today....The communist dominated unions don't give a dam about the workers or the economy of Australia. All they are interested in is crippling our economy and this was high lighted in the Rudd/ Gillard era in the past 6 years and they nearly succeeded......stopped in time by the public electing a new Government.
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The problem with that ideology noco, what is the end game?
If they cripple our economy, what is in it for them?

I tend tend to think it is more macro, what can I get out of a political career.

lazy bastxxrds, who have the gift of the gab, they want a taxpayer funded tax free pension.lol
They find an easy avenue the union management, that leads to Labor Party pre selection.

Rudd didn't come through the system, so has tried to change it.
Probably the best thing he did for the Labor cesspit IMO.
 
boofhead said:
www.scribd.com/doc/204418030/SPCA doesn't seem so over the top compared to what Abetz and others suggested. It would be nice to see greater breakdown of costs though.
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The LNP's ideological blinkers, earmuffs, and general sensory depravation make the misrepresentationness platitudes that fall so sweetly into the ears of their benefactors, fall as a warm mucaziod drool from tonuges so brown ... If that doesn't make you sick examine the actuallity....

And where their happy to take us;

http://www.upworthy.com/9-out-of-10...rong-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2?c=reccon1
 
orr said:
The LNP's ideological blinkers, earmuffs, and general sensory depravation make the misrepresentationness platitudes that fall so sweetly into the ears of their benefactors, fall as a warm mucaziod drool from tonuges so brown ... If that doesn't make you sick examine the actuallity....
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Drool from brown tonuges does seem sickening.:eek:
 
Sharman Stone in a tanty pees in the corner of the Coalition tent stinking it out while SPC Ardmona thinks it's going to bully the federal government into submission.

Below is one of SPC Ardmona's claims from its media release today.

Claim: Redundancy is in excess of the award.
Fact: This old condition was reduced in 2012 to a 52-week cap
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-04/nrn-spc-pay-claims/5237440

That's for workers employed after June 2012 who are going to take some time to get to that cap let alone exceed it under the old terms. Severance payments for those before July 2012 is still capped at 104 weeks and is uncapped for those employed before July 2001 (image below). In short, the 52-week cap introduced from July 2012 will not make a material difference to their cost structure for some time.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/spc_workers_perks_cost_bailout_GD8J2Nuj6BIJ1f83LfAJ5J
 

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sptrawler said:
The problem with that ideology noco, what is the end game?
If they cripple our economy, what is in it for them?

I tend tend to think it is more macro, what can I get out of a political career.

lazy bastxxrds, who have the gift of the gab, they want a taxpayer funded tax free pension.lol
They find an easy avenue the union management, that leads to Labor Party pre selection.

Rudd didn't come through the system, so has tried to change it.
Probably the best thing he did for the Labor cesspit IMO.
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WHAT IS THE END GAME?

Total control of the :-

Media

Industry

Mining

Banks

I refer you to my posts #97 and #102 "Holedn- on yer bike"

This the way of Socialism (Communism) ...total control even of your life.
 
noco said:
Yes, and I reflect again on my past posts. This was all started by the communist dominated unions in the 50's and the 60's and the unions thuggery still exists today....The communist dominated unions don't give a dam about the workers or the economy of Australia. All they are interested in is crippling our economy and this was high lighted in the Rudd/ Gillard era in the past 6 years and they nearly succeeded......stopped in time by the public electing a new Government.
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What about big business thuggery? They might not send the boys around, but they do unleash the lawyers and do their best to move the profits where the tax doesn't need to be paid.

Have a talk to some small tenants in a Westfields, or a supplier to Coles / Woolworths that's been cliffed repeatedly.

Why are below average paid workers at SPC held us as some destructive force in the economy, when it's upper management and CEO pay inflation that's doing the most harm to the economy.

I'd argue what crippled the economy over the last 6 years was the greediness of the resource sector, along with the state and fed governments allowing them to go full throttle. Who in their right mind allows 3 concurrent LNG trains to be built at Curtis Island? Shock horror, construction costs blow out and time frames too. Then the same over paid management has the audacity to front the media and act like it was a totally unforeseeable outcome. Who in their right mind allows the unfettered expansion of the Pilbara iron ore mines? Massive amounts of expensive capacity hitting the market at the wrong time - AGAIN.

Then we have multiple off shore gas fields all being developed at the same time.

Huge influx of foreign capital into the country, AUD so high it decimates most sectors of the economy, and what do we get for it? A hollowed out economy even more dependant on the FIRE sector, LNG plants at the top end of the cost curve, iron ore expansion that has moved us up the cost curve. Nothing to do with unions. This was businesses being poorly managed.

It was all presided over by Labor and Liberal Governments egged on by big business.

Just wait till we're sold out over the dud TPP managed trade deal. It'll do more harm than the pathetic USA managed trade deal. Once the giant US and Japanese companies get their lawyers on us through ISDS we'll be even more borked that we are now.
 
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