The Abbott Government

[noco]

That makes Noco a responsible person in my opinion, for wanting to get rid of a disunified and pathetically incompetent government who had a well documented record of repeated stuff ups.

Just to refresh a few memories, here’s the legacy that Rudd left us with –

Left us with a $300+Billion debt after inheriting no debt when he came to office.

Left us with 50,000 illegals, 85% are on the dole after 5 years and that means forever.

Left us with an NBN that at this stage has $900m expenses per year and only $17m income.



$16.1 billion Building the Education Revolution program, failure.

$3.45 billion pink bat Home Insulation debacle

Mining Tax miss-design, miss-management & lies on tax rates

$38.5 million for a pro-mining tax ad campaign

Climate Change “greatest moral challenge” abandonment

Copenhagen 114 person strong extravaganza & failure

$275 million 31, later 450 GP Super Clinics promised, only three delivered

$90 billion National Broadband white elephant, without a business plan

$2.1 Billion Laptop for every child – without infrastructure

Build 222 childcare centers – abandoned

Industrial relations rollback to pre-Keating era

Grocery Watch

Fuel Watch

Mandatory Internet Filter – dangerous, ineffective, missmanaged

Litigation of Japan whaling – empty PC rhetoric

Commonwealth Health takeover replaced with pretend ‘reform’

Murray Darling River State non-deal

Foreign policy damage– China, Japan, Indonesia, India

Asylum Boat people arrivals explosion & its denial for year

Wild Rivers legislation support harms aborigines

2020 Summit – staged celebrity talk-fest

Promise to retain universal Private Health rebate broken

Promise to clean up election funding broken

$275 Million Green Loans debacle

Raise the standard of Ministerial responsibility abandoned

Political advertising ombudsman promised then dismantled

$534 Million Solar Panel Rebate sudden withdrawal

Halve homeless by 2020 / by 20% by 2013 – instead rising

Pacific Workers Scheme failure

1 Billion Cash for Clunkers green wash stupidity

Bullying East Timor for our detention center

150 Citizen’s council for Climate stupidity

Pork barreling infra-structure grants to Labor seats – auditor

Opposition to pension increase for non-Labor voting pensioners

National Security Committee run by ex-bodyguard

No wonder responsible Australians wanted to get rid of Rudd/Gillard and Labor.

Thanks Bunyip for your support......I just don't believe a reply is worthy to "NUT CRACKERS" with short memories.

It is good to have sane people back in charge once again.......but history will repeat it self again in 9 or 12 years when things are back on track and the 'DUMBWITS' will be saying it is time for a change of Government and then we will be back to square one again.......Big spending and big debt.

 

[waterbottle]

Achievements of the Abbott Government:

• Failing to provide a faster, cheaper and more widely available NBN
• Failing at diplomacy
• Succeeded at angering the Indonesians
• Succeeded at disrupting previous efforts towards the management of climate change
• Succeeding at continuing the socioeconomic discrimination that exist in education
• Succeeding at remaining as transparent as a brick wall

Vote this mob out,

Cheers.

 

[bunyip]

I think IFocus hasn't yet realised yet that the tapping of SBY and his wife's phone was in 2009 and under Rudd's watch. That specific incident had nothing to do with Abbott.

Of course it didn't, which is why Abbot shouldn't have and didn't apologise for it.
You don't apoligise for something that someone else did. You express regret, and I have no doubt that Abbot did so in his letter to Banger. But you don't and shouldn't apoligise for something that you had no part in.

 

[wayneL]

Achievements of the Abbott Government:

• Failing to provide a faster, cheaper and more widely available NBN
• Failing at diplomacy
• Succeeded at angering the Indonesians
• Succeeded at disrupting previous efforts towards the management of climate change
• Succeeding at continuing the socioeconomic discrimination that exist in education
• Succeeding at remaining as transparent as a brick wall

Vote this mob out,

Cheers.

Breaking news:

ASF invaded by Labor Party apparatchiks.

 

[basilio]

Breaking news:

ASF invaded by Labor Party apparatchiks.

Indeed!!! Lets make them feel welcome in the time honoured way of this thread.

Put their heads on Pikes. NOW!!!

Good for a laugh and also warns off anyone else who dares express another view.

 

[wayneL]

Breaking news:

ASF leftists create new category of informal fallacy - argumentum absurdsupportium (appeal to troll).

Logicians are re-writing textbooks as we speak.

 

[waterbottle]

You two are delusional if you think the ALP has hired a team of astroturfers specifically for this forum. Having said that, I wouldn't expect anything less from Abbott's hardcore acolytes.

One term Tony should be kicked out already.

Cheers

 

[basilio]

You two are delusional if you think the ALP has hired a team of astroturfers specifically for this forum. Having said that, I wouldn't expect anything less from Abbott's hardcore acolytes.

One term Tony should be kicked out already.

Cheers

And indeed thats exactly what you'll get from this forum waterbottle.

This forum has worked long and hard to craft new versions of reality that cannot be imagined by anyone outside our sacred realm. Come on in, sit down and learn how our Lord and Master the Great Tony Abbott (praise his name!!) has saved us from fates worse than death.

The Carbon tax for instance. One of the most iniquitous devices known to man, destined to destroy Western Civilization as we know it. And now destined for the dungheap of history.

Stroll around and see if you can pick the sentient from the troll; separate truth from delusion: work out who actually believes the drivel they are sprouting versus those who are crazed with anguish at the loss of all hope for humanity.

I'm going to swing back to my Tower Waterbottle.

Adieu and farewell.

 

[wayneL]

You two are delusional if you think the ALP has hired a team of astroturfers specifically for this forum. Having said that, I wouldn't expect anything less from Abbott's hardcore acolytes.

One term Tony should be kicked out already.

Cheers

Well I'm neither an acolyte or hard core, not even a natural coalition voter. But I'm happy to give Tones a go. A rough start for sure, but already superior to the previous vandals by many magnitudes.

 

[IFocus]

Achievements of the Abbott Government:

• Failing to provide a faster, cheaper and more widely available NBN
• Failing at diplomacy
• Succeeded at angering the Indonesians
• Succeeded at disrupting previous efforts towards the management of climate change
• Succeeding at continuing the socioeconomic discrimination that exist in education
• Succeeding at remaining as transparent as a brick wall

Vote this mob out,

Cheers.

You forgot

Succeeding to fail to find the budget emergency but asking for a 66% increase in the credit card.
Succeeding to further sell of the farm and become economic genius's
Succeeding to lied about just about every thing
Succeeding to hold us in the stone age using carrier pigeons.

 

[sptrawler]

You forgot

Succeeding to fail to find the budget emergency but asking for a 66% increase in the credit card.
Succeeding to further sell of the farm and become economic genius's
Succeeding to lied about just about every thing
Succeeding to hold us in the stone age using carrier pigeons.

Good to see you're still not getting any traction in the bird droppings.

 

[Whiskers]

In relation to Graincorp, what specifically did the Coalition say that was the exact opposite to what they have done?

There was no doubt that Hockey was always going to approve the takeover. The Business Council of Australias's (BCA) position that it should be sold and the high prominence Abbott and Hockey gave to the BCA in their National Commission of Audit underlined Hockeys intentions... ie until the Nationals dug in their heels and Joyce in particular threatened to resign from the cabinet it he didn't change his mind.

The Nationals clearly knew Hockey's intentions otherwise they wouldn't have taken such drastic action at the risk of exposing the coalition to claims of disunity.

What was Labor's position prior to the announcement and for the matter, prior to the election? I recall an Insiders interview between Barrie Cassidy and Bill Shorten a few weeks ago where this issue was raised, but while Bill offered a commentary on the Coalition, he didn't say what Labor's position was.

Personally, I don't consider Shorten can claim to be representative of the majority of Labor grass roots, given his and his colleagues disrespect for the opinion of 60% of their membership and consequently won't hold Labor supporters accountable for his attitude and actions anymore than I would mainstream Lib and Nationals for the clumsy, actions of a few far right Big L Liberals in the government.

No of course they wouldn't because then they can't criticize the coalitions policy. I haven't heard a response yet but no doubt it will be opposed to their decision. I swear The Age had written two articles allowing for each of the narratives to disagree with the coalitions position. No matter what they were going to be criticized for which ever way they decided. I personally fully support Joe's position and believe its integral that we hold on to such important agricultural assets. Even if the Nationals did twist their arm its still good to see the Nationals representing their voting base, I hope they can also have some influence on CSG.

I would also add that the problem which would arise if the takeover was allowed would be control of key infrastructure. The same problem has been occurring for quite some time with a few iron ore and coal miners not allowing outside access to their rail or port facilities in WA and Qld. While conditions on the takeover may have overcome that on face value, it still would have left ADM in control and able to wiggle the business to limit or completely negate the effectiveness of the conditions.

 

[drsmith]

There was no doubt that Hockey was always going to approve the takeover. The Business Council of Australias's (BCA) position that it should be sold and the high prominence Abbott and Hockey gave to the BCA in their National Commission of Audit underlined Hockeys intentions... ie until the Nationals dug in their heels and Joyce in particular threatened to resign from the cabinet it he didn't change his mind.

The Nationals clearly knew Hockey's intentions otherwise they wouldn't have taken such drastic action at the risk of exposing the coalition to claims of disunity.

That doesn't answer the question.

On that specific point, I also note the silence from the author of the original statement.

 

[Whiskers]

Well I'm neither an acolyte or hard core, not even a natural coalition voter. But I'm happy to give Tones a go. A rough start for sure,

Well, a rough start indeed!

But did you really have let him have a free reign on 'turn back the boats', and attempt to get into Indonesia to 'spy on smugglers' to 'buy boats' before they could get them, to see how he goes... when the consequence was very predictable.

Hell, according to some here I'm a dim left wing nutter... but hey, even I could foresee what would happen with that, his bowing to Nationals pressure on the Grainco takeover for political survival... AND his attempting to do what he made such a big noise about and accused Labor of doing, ie promising not to break promises and enter Christopher Pyne on education.

...but already superior to the previous vandals by many magnitudes.

Early days yet, but his over exaggeration and heavy handedness has already proven to be quite vandalistic of foreign affairs and state relations. He has had a very short honeymoon in the polls and a wide variety of poll questions show he has already built up a lot of dissatisfaction and distrust in the electorate. Abbott, Hockey and Pyne are going to have to do a lot more backing down yet to restore public confidence and regain election winning voter support.

 

[drsmith]

Well I'm neither an acolyte or hard core, not even a natural coalition voter. But I'm happy to give Tones a go. A rough start for sure, but already superior to the previous vandals by many magnitudes.

This government's had a lot thrown at it from Left field.

Firstly there was the Fairfax coverage of travel entitlements. This ensnared both sides of Politics, though the Coalition to a greater extent. with some modest changes, the government's response was methodical, orderly and thought out without being a major distraction to the government itself. As for the media coverage, that in my view was fair enough. That in particular should encourage both sides to lift their game.

Border protection so far has been an outstanding success bearing in mind what has been thrown at it by elements of the press and opposition parties. Scott Morrison in one of his OSB briefings was overly aggressive to the media but has quickly adapted. One other misstep was to be slow to recognise that Indonesia wasn't going to take that boatload rescued by our Navy once it become public before resolution with Indonesia. Overall, he's clearly competent in his role and learning which is a very good sign.

Tony Abbott Too I feel has handled the spying issue well. While there has been criticism that his initial response didn't take the issue seriously enough, I don't know that it was ever as simple as picking up the phone to SBY and saying sorry. This had to be taken out of the public arena and any response well considered by both sides. Letter writing was an effective means of doing this and it wouldn't surprise me if that solution was reach by discussions between diplomats on both sides. The government though has to deal with the cultural political bias within the ABC. Our national broadcaster has clearly demonstrated it cannot make the appropriate judgement in relation to our national interest.

Christopher Pyne over the past week though has been a serious disappointment which could seriously hurt the government unless he quickly grows himself out of the schoolyard. The worst aspect is not that he backed away from the no-school-worse-off promise, that relatively minor in the overall scheme of things. His biggest mistake has been to announce change without putting any material flesh on the changes he would like to make. After 10 weeks in office, he should have had something. If not, he should have kept his yap shut until he did.

An interesting issue in the near future will be the NBN. The Coalition I suspect will walk from it's 2016 25mbps target and more likely settle for 2019 50mbps target only. While it will cop the obvious flak, it shouldn't be a serious problem if handled properly. Christopher Pyne though eroding the government's political capital over the past week won't help.

 

[sydboy007]

An interesting issue in the near future will be the NBN. The Coalition I suspect will walk from it's 2016 25mbps target and more likely settle for 2019 50mbps target only. While it will cop the obvious flak, it shouldn't be a serious problem if handled properly. Christopher Pyne though eroding the government's political capital over the past week won't help.

I dare say that will be a MAJOR vote lose at the next election, and could cause a lot of friction with the nationals depending on if the rollout in non metro areas is slower than what what was planned before.

With the criticism of Labor's NBN, Malcolm may have to stand down as comms minister if you're right. I mean, only a epic level of ineptitude could cause such an extension.

Any more policy backflips we should expect?

I get the feeling the Abbott Govt had little political capital. Labor's antics meant there wasn't much to choose from last election.

Lets just hope they tone down the megaphone diplomacy.

 

[wayneL]

a free reign

I'm sure you'll claim this malapropism/misspell as a double entendre, but it's rein... no g.

As for the rest, may I suggest Coloxyl and acidophilus. I'm not sure it works with the opposite orifice, but worth a try.

 

[drsmith]

I dare say that will be a MAJOR vote lose at the next election, and could cause a lot of friction with the nationals depending on if the rollout in non metro areas is slower than what what was planned before.

As much as you hope it will be the case, the Coalition won't be judged by the detail of a plan from Opposition. Labor wasn't.

On this issue, the judgement will primarily be one of how well their rollout is progressing at the time of the next election relative to Labor's at the last one.

 

[IFocus]

As much as you hope it will be the case, the Coalition won't be judged by the detail of a plan from Opposition. Labor wasn't.

Labor (Rudd) didn't run such a ruthless campaign against the Howard government lying and promising the world.

Rudd ran a tricky echo campaign while Howard self destructed with non-work choices.

In Abbotts case in opposition he was really nasty which fed joy to the right wing base witness repeated here in these political threads but the middle ground didn't like it reflected by Abbotts approval rating.

Abbott tried to hide that with the adults now in charge statement etc.

The problem for Abbott is now ever time his actions are 180 degrees from what he says he is measured by what he previously said about Labor.

The debt thing is a classic plus the sheer arrogance being portrayed by Pyne this week is stunning.

On this issue, the judgement will primarily be one of how well their rollout is progressing at the time of the next election relative to Labor's at the last one.

They will be judged on their promise plus the lack of speed compared to Labors plan.

The public are about the here and now, trying to explain a roll out being delayed by the other mob is subjective IMHO.

 

[Whiskers]

I'm sure you'll claim this malapropism/misspell as a double entendre, but it's rein... no g.

Yeah... you must keep trying.

A rein is something you lead or control a horse with. He didn't strike me as being on a lead or controlled by anyone (quite the contrary) so I wouldn't say he's a horse... although, I did point out, and in hindsight you are slowly coming around to thinking some of his policies and ways of doing things are a "rough start", as ugly as a horse's @rse!

Reign refers to; (attempted) exercise of sovereign power, (a dictatorship of sorts), as by a monarch, and (attempted) dominance or widespread influence (in our region).

I know what I meant... but I'm happy for you to go with yours.

As for the rest, may I suggest Coloxyl and acidophilus. I'm not sure it works with the opposite orifice, but worth a try.

Good luck with what ever it is you guys have with this infatuation with experimenting on you body parts, but I recommend abstaining!