The Abbott Government

[noco]

Can a referee ever be self-appointed?

Only according Whiskers you can......but you have to have very high ego to do it.

 

[basilio]

Referee eh ? Perhaps Whiskers means he has clearer eyes about what the Abbott government is doing with regard to its promises and nominal policies.

I mean almost all of the remaining suspects (Noco, Dr Smith, GG etc) just can't accept any possibility that St Tony could ever possibly do anything untoward could he ?

 

[trainspotter]

Referee eh ? Perhaps Whiskers means he has clearer eyes about what the Abbott government is doing with regard to its promises and nominal policies.

I mean almost all of the remaining suspects (Noco, Dr Smith, GG etc) just can't accept any possibility that St Tony could ever possibly do anything untoward could he ?

Myopic is the word you are looking for basilio. Blinded by his own loquaciousness and braggadocio foisting his opines on to the proletariat from his self elevated position of "referee"

 

[Julia]

Hey, did you see Palmers speech today? Made a lot of sense didn't he!

If he did, it was probably in the parts which he plagiarised, unattributed, from JFK.

 

[basilio]

Myopic is the word you are looking for basilio. Blinded by his own loquaciousness and braggadocio foisting his opines on to the proletariat from his self elevated position of "referee"

I disagree with you Trainspotter. I don't agree with everything Whiskers says (in fact there is much I would dispute) but IMO he offers more rational, evidence based comment than many others in this forum.

And at least he's more civil than most.

( Clearly he shouldn't be here.. )

 

[wayneL]

It depends on your standard for evidence basilio.

Correlation of an opinion and Fabian ideology is not actually evidence.

 

[trainspotter]

I disagree with you Trainspotter. I don't agree with everything Whiskers says (in fact there is much I would dispute) but IMO he offers more rational, evidence based comment than many others in this forum.

And at least he's more civil than most.

( Clearly he shouldn't be here.. )

Only if the last part were true !

 

[basilio]

It depends on your standard for evidence basilio.

Correlation of an opinion and Fabian ideology is not actually evidence.

My standard of evidence is pretty good Wayne. I use current peer reviewed science, a broad observational framework and a willingness to investigate even the most unlikely possibilities.

Thats why I chase down all the dubious options you throw up - and usually skewer them.

 

[Whiskers]

You clearly have a over inflated opinion of your role in this discussion. You're as much of a referee as I am.

Whilst our views obviously differ, we are both just posters on this forum. Nothing more, nothing less.

My bolds.

Quite so, BUT...

Can a referee ever be self-appointed?

The swing voter (non party aligned) is the referee (or umpire) in politics and by definition, we are self appointed.

However, when a certain line of belief and behaviour line up as a 'team' such as did in unison clearly for unqualified support of a political leader, it's a 'game' of politics.

Therefore as I was the only one not aligned with a political party, I'm still a referee, they became players. It's quite elementary my dear... :

If he did, it was probably in the parts which he plagiarised, unattributed, from JFK.

Heelloo Julia.

Glad we're back on talking terms.

Yes, Clive did put his foot in a bit of doo doo there... but he wouldn't be the first and not likely it will weigh very heavily on the minds of voters or many others except some of his protagonists in the media and a couple of politicians silly enough to try to massage it.

But the thing I'm noticing (since I hardly paid him much attention previously) is where the Libs and Labor have pretty clear bias in media coverage, according to some, Palmer seems to cop it from all sides... but they still can't wait to hang around to see what he has to say and suffer quite a few sixes off their own bowls at trying to catch him out.

Btw, gg estimated Rudd would make his move in abt 18 months. I'd suggest more like 6 or 7 months.

Abbott has little chance of much success in major legislation passing the senate before July 2014. Rudds strategist, Bruce Hawker is starting to cultivate the ground for Rudds (or anointment) comeback with the book in December.

Shorten will likely never seriously threaten Abbott in the polls while Palmer is such a charismatic player who seems to be putting more steps right and is responsible for the lions share of the votes away from Labor.

On current form Abbott will not want a double dissolution next July... BUT Palmer seems to be playing his cards and forging ahead with gearing up his party network and could well line up with Labor to block supply and force one to build up his party representation. He skites of his initial success on 8 weeks of preparation so he's thinking he can improve on that exponentially with some agitation in parliament. He's thinking chance of PM in 7 or 8 months.

Rudd smells an opening and forces Shorten out in the name of not winning back their traditional support base.

 

[wayneL]

Only in the parallel universe of religious catastrophists basilio. Real empirical data does not agree with you.

See the Pielkes, Curry, and a host of others who use resl science over discredited modeling.

 

[Logique]

ABC 7:30 Report, 13 November, PM interviewed.

I like Leigh Sales, who unfortunately is at the pointy end of the usual ABC 'loaded' set of questions, as Tony Abbott pointed out tonight.

The PM was very restrained tonight, but has my permission (he'll be so grateful) to unload on the 7:30 Report in future.

 

[basilio]

Only in the parallel universe of religious catastrophists basilio. Real empirical data does not agree with you.

See the Pielkes, Curry, and a host of others who use resl science over discredited modeling.

Your just delusional Wayne. But I'm sure it helps you sleep well at night.

Dream on.
And by the way why are trying to introduce "the topic which cannot be mentioned" into this forum ? Running out of relevant comments for this tread are we ?

 

[Whiskers]

Rudd smells an opening and forces Shorten out in the name of not winning back their traditional support base.

Well... Rudd has just announced he'll quit Parliament.

Sooo... who is going to be the benificery of Hawkers further Labor reforms... who's he going to be strategizing for?

 

[waza1960]

Well Whiskers..........
You have taken up a lot of space here telling us how Rudd is making a comeback lets see how your other predictions turn out over coming months

 

[waza1960]

Probably another seat for the coalition now there will be a by-election in Rudds' electorate.
Although I guess Whiskers thinks Clive will win it

 

[wayneL]

Your just delusional Wayne. But I'm sure it helps you sleep well at night.

Dream on.
And by the way why are trying to introduce "the topic which cannot be mentioned" into this forum ? Running out of relevant comments for this tread are we ?

Well yes, we are off topic.

Let's take the d1ck measuring to the relevant thread shall we?

 

[Calliope]

Probably another seat for the coalition now there will be a by-election in Rudds' electorate.
Although I guess Whiskers thinks Clive will win it

Yes he has now switched his allegiance...for what it's worth. I can hardly imagine a more ghastly sight than this, and that would be Whisker's "charismatic" Palmer blubbering.

 

[Julia]

Btw, gg estimated Rudd would make his move in abt 18 months. I'd suggest more like 6 or 7 months.

Rudds strategist, Bruce Hawker is starting to cultivate the ground for Rudds (or anointment) comeback with the book in December.

Rudd smells an opening and forces Shorten out in the name of not winning back their traditional support base.

So much for that wisdom.

 

[drsmith]

Yes he has now switched his allegiance...for what it's worth. I can hardly imagine a more ghastly sight than this, and that would be Whisker's "charismatic" Palmer blubbering.

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From considering staying on as Labor leader after the election loss to that.

Julia Gillard may not have been quiet able to destroy the artificial world in which Kev lived, but now it has finally caved in.

I imagine there will be much relief within Labor.

 

[Whiskers]

Well Whiskers..........
You have taken up a lot of space here telling us how Rudd is making a comeback lets see how your other predictions turn out over coming months

What I said and implied is could, not is!

Clearly he was considering it, or as I said, anointing someone else. Lose sight of context, the overall theme and you lose your way all together.

There has also been rumors of him shifting to Qld state politics to knock off Newman... to help undermine the coalition government.

It also puts a lie to the accusations that I was somehow a Rudd or Labor mouth piece. I clearly did not know that was coming although some of you find the best way to try to discredit critique of our politicians is to try to tar them as Labor.

I've been very critical of the the Climate Change industry, Carbon Tax, Gillard's banning Live cattle exports even the botched mining tax that could have been done much better to rationalise the Tax system... BUT I don't recall anyone, Labor or greens, branding me as LNP or National bias, unlike a concerted campaign by Lib supporters to brand any criticism as lefty Labor.

But what has taken up the most space here is dumb Big L Lib propaganda from a few with a superiority complex.

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That is the compulsive behaviour of the far right (similar to the corrupt factions in Labor) that earns you the distrust of so many voters, that you take for fools, that they would rather give their vote and second preference to any other minor party, than the Libs. Remember the Libs only command 32% of the first preference.

Probably another seat for the coalition now there will be a by-election in Rudds' electorate.
Although I guess Whiskers thinks Clive will win it

Well, I'm not going to be so naive as to rule out the possibility.

Given Palmers short lead time (8 weeks) last time in a strong Labor seat they got a good showing at 4th largest vote, well ahead of all but the ALP, LNP and Greens.

The point about the importance of a strong first preference and good second preference flow is also highlighted here. While Rudd copped a hit in the first vote last election 40% and the LNP 42%... a significant number of voters couldn not bring themselves to vote for the LNP. ALP 53% LNP 47% after preferences.

Labor picked up more than 2.5 to 1 in preferences.

That typifies Abbotts problem. As much as people loathe Labor, hard-line conservative voters seem to really detest giving their preference to a third party, they still give a large chunk to Labor. You see the problem looming here! Whereas Palmer and the Greens are favoured second preference by people who prefer Labor.

Remember the conservative movement never really gained any strength until that fateful meeting in Canberra way back when, all the conservatives colluded to combine or form a coalition... thus establishing the 'gentleman's agreement' of not supporting minor parties with preference deals to limit the playing field to a duopoly.

But as we've seen the minor parties are successfully collaborating to beat the corrupt duopoly.

1. There is growing disenchantment with the big two, Lib and Labor as evidenced by the rise of Palmer.
2. The dissatisfaction factor is going to be the significant issue to watch for Abbott, not the two party preference or preferred PM.
3. You should also watch primary support for the Greens which has risen from 8.7% at the election to 12%.

I'll wait to see who the candidates are before speculating on Palmers chances. But Newman isn't doing the LNP chances any favours with a Howard 'workchoices' types of extreme right shift in policy of late.

The thing the right wing members have to get, to avoid losing government sooner than you expect is the vast majority of people don't see Big L Liberalism as a viable, let alone a preferable alternative to dysfunctional Labor leadership and some bad policies like the carbon tax.