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trainspotter said:
Like sails said ... Good grief man. You have lost the plot ! DON'T FEED THE TROLL !!!
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Like sails...

Well, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

It's called communication, dialogue or even debate, if you disagree with me.

All require a certain amount of communication skill and ability to research to be persuasive. Apparently you can't be bothered putting in the effort!

I'm happy to be corrected on any data if you can show me where I got it wrong.​

sails said:
Trying to change the subject now?

Don't like being reminded about labor's gravy planes?
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Abbott has taken a step in the right direction with the Allowances issue, but get out of jail free if you repay it quickly after being sprung, before action is taken, or a 25% loading won't come anywhere near the much lauded 'good' everything of Abbott's one line slogans in the court of public appeal.

He made a rod for his own back by tagging everything he promised with 'good' and 'better government'.

The test of whether it was all imagery; cunningly choosing words to paint a picture of 'good' in the voters mind... or worse still a deceptive symbol, that when the devil in the detail is revealed it was actually representing something else.

I was caught between whether he was actually much smarter than I gave him credit for or he was just playing with words... conning people (as too many politicians do). I'm realising he was not that smart.. got more cunning, but no smarter.

For example his literally 'turn the boats back' had a nice ring to it, BUT now it is revealed that he has nothing new but to keep trying to do what Howard, Gillard and Rudd knew wouldn't work, hence why Howard shifted focus to the pacific solution and Rudd's last minute plea to public support, the PNG solution.

Similarly, with zero success with buying boats in Indonesia. It seems his old chief head kicker spots haven't disappeared, just faded with age and keeping more in the shadows, being a small target in opposition. Time for the rank and file, especially the more moderate Libs and Nationals to throw some more weight around in the party room and revert to a normal approach, nothing to hide government.

Abbott drew some strength from Labor airing all their dirty linen in public, but shutting the door on the public and media and pretending he has no dirty linen or dissent and everything is working out fine is more foolhardy.

Don't like being reminded about labor's gravy planes?
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The point is Abbott is in the hot seat now. He can't sustain popularity, let alone support in government with blame for everything Labor did. He has to deliver, to be better than Labor. That's what voters and the media are interest in now... whether he is delivering what he said he would or whether it was all just imagery or deceptive symbolism.
 
Mr. Abbott thus far has done a very good job as PM.

Stopped the boats just about, giving the Indons a message loud and clear.

Rescued Holden jobs for the moment.

Abandoned all the sandalista Global Warming claptrap and removed us from the pithiness of the Carbon Handcuff.

Is positioning the economy for the leap forward this country needs.

Taken the initiative from the Guardian, Fairfax and the ABC on who runs this country, not they but the Australian people and voters.

I reckon he is a great PM.

gg
 

drsmith said:
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No doubt about you two. If I had an army as devoted and loyal as you two, I could conquer the world ... actually a couple of gentlemen about the 1940's did... but they still didn't!

I think their problem had something to do with blind faith and ruthlessly controlling dissenting opinion within and the media without. :

The next week or so will provide valuable insight on how he is going. I've been tipping a fall off in popularity the more he persists with, and as some of his dumb and extreme right policies are exposed as such.

A major catastrophe is looming in rumoured threats of some or all Nationals quitting ministerial positions if the GrainCorp takeover by ADM is approved. This is going to be a bigger test for his 'approval rating' by his own coalition partners, let alone the public.
 
Just noticed latest News Poll.

No surprise Abbotts dissatisfaction was a big mover.

Looking like a pretty short honeymoon for Tony as well!

TS and sails, note the first preference count we discussed. Another little blip of 2% and he's in trouble if a Double Dissolution is triggered. Lets hope he pulls his neck in and listens to his coalition colleagues more. I can't image Shorten winning enough support to win government unless Abbott doesn't learn soon, to change his dumb ways and gifts it to him.


Abbott's support slips: Newspoll

2 hours ago
Politics
National Affairs
By a staff reporter

Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s personal support has fallen slightly ahead of the first sitting week of parliament, while Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s popularity is on the rise, according to the latest Newspoll.

The survey, published by The Australian, also shows the Coalition holds a two-party-preferred lead of 53 to 47 per cent, essentially the same result as the September election, but has seen its lead halved from 12 points to six over the past two weeks.

The Coalition's primary vote dropped from 47 per cent to 45 per cent - back to where it was at the election - and Labor's rose one point from 31 per cent to 32 per cent, slightly less than the election result, the newspaper said.

The results came as Mr Abbott’s vows to repeal Labor’s carbon tax and stop the inflow of asylum boats were put to the test for the first time.

The Newsproll showed dissatisfaction with Mr Abbott has risen four percentage points from 34 per cent to 38 per cent and satisfaction has fallen from 47 per cent to 45 per cent.

Satisfaction with Mr Shorten rose five percentage points to 37 per cent while dissatisfaction remained unchanged on 24 per cent during the same period.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/11/12/national-affairs/abbotts-support-slips-newspoll​
 
Is this latest newspoll supposed to be good news for labor. Their primary vote is still below their record low primary vote in the recent election.
 

Whiskers, I know you love your fallacious arguments (which is why few can really be bothered too much with you), but I really think your Reductio ad Hitlerum here is a bridge too far.

Very distasteful IMO.
 
AAA said:
Is this latest newspoll supposed to be good news for labor. Their primary vote is still below their record low primary vote in the recent election.
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No... as I've explained in detail earlier, I don't believe Labor will do particularly well while Shorten is leader. The Labor membership didn't favour him for leader so how do they expect the wider public to favour him as PM.

But it does serve as an indicator of Abbotts stubborn persistence with dumb and extreme right wing policies reflecting in increased 'disapproval'.

As I suggest, he would be dumb to think he has a free ride because of Labors recent dysfunctional leadership and policy positions.

I also notice some big swings back to Labor at state levels. Is it that Labor has suddenly improved that much... or that the alternative is not living up to expectations?

wayneL said:
Whiskers, I know you love your fallacious arguments (which is why few can really be bothered too much with you), but I really think your Reductio ad Hitlerum here is a bridge too far.

Very distasteful IMO.
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Well, I was deliberately anonymous with specifics on that point because my emphasis was clearly on their faithful devotion and unshakable support for their leader and exemplifying their fallacy.

Thanks for beating up a Gillard 'misogyny' style distraction from the main point!

You (and them) on the other hand see the worst and then some in others that you don't agree with, but have incredibly rose coloured glasses and unshakable blind faith in the face of clear public opinion to the contrary, in you and yours.

I don't suppose you've seen polls like for example:

Does the fact Jakarta has twice rejected requests by Scott Morrison to send asylum seekers back to Indonesia indicate that the government's new asylum seeker policy is not working?
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...s-backfires-20131110-2xa56.html#ixzz2kMn9N6q7​

...that show, of 12,368 votes about 87% of people think yes.

Only a fool would try to defend the undefendable. I'm pleased the Nationals are showing enough sense to not jump out in front of this runaway train to save their coalition leader. A self kick in the head might soften him up a bit to see some sense on the GrainCorp takeover and other issues still to come.
 

Make that three gentlemen...
 

Who are you kidding, Murdoch runs this country and always has, the NBN is a great example of this.

Let me say I commend him for taking a stance against the rorts even though I was after tougher action, for example Don Randall's Cairns trip would still be considered work related even though it obviously wasn't.
I'm satisfied thus far with the efforts to stop the boats, it was never going to be an overnight job and I'm pleased they're not bending over for Indonesia as for too long Australia has been the whipping boy.

But its this sort of rubbish that will ensue from a neutral point of view (no doubt many on here wont see it this way) that Abbott will never be a good PM "the adults are back in charge" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It59KJNPkdI

He still Governs as though he is in opposition. I want to hear how good you are in government and what you're doing for me and not how bad Labor was as that's in the past now.
 
Anonymity?

Oh yeah that was really obtuse. I won't dignify the other drivel.
 

Quite funny.

Stopped the boats (just about) gave the Indons a clear message (and so they have told us to get stuffed)

Rescued Holden (for the moment)

And taken control from the Guardian who runs this country (LOL).

Makes me smile.
 
wayneL said:
Whiskers, I know you love your fallacious arguments (which is why few can really be bothered too much with you), but I really think your Reductio ad Hitlerum here is a bridge too far.

Very distasteful IMO.
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Not only that, it also has the amusing characteristic of being from someone who thinks the flawed character that is Kevin Rudd will rise again.
 
drsmith said:
Not only that, it also has the amusing characteristic of being from someone who thinks the flawed character that is Kevin Rudd will rise again.
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Oouch... that would count as an own goal for the team!.. the three
 

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drsmith said:
I have to admit , that's no match for Rudd's team of four,

Kev, Kev, Kev and yourself.
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Aah, I just adjudicated on what gg played at. I'm the referee in this game, remember ... I'm blowing the whistle on any of them who break a promise or the rules of common sense.

Hey, did you see Palmers speech today? Made a lot of sense didn't he! Certainly never short of an answer and he works the media really well. Looking forward to seeing if the standing orders get changed to try to shut him up in parliament.

Apparently he's retired from business, just a shareholder collecting dividends and priming his political machine for further assaults on government for the PM job.

I also heard an opinion (other than him) that he'll get his WA senate seat back.
 

There used to be an emoticon for vomit ... no wait ... here it is. :nuts:

Palmer reminds me of another Phil Cleary ... soon to become unstuck by his own buffoonery. :
 
Whiskers said:
Aah, I just adjudicated on what gg played at. I'm the referee in this game, remember ... I'm blowing the whistle on any of them who break a promise or the rules of common sense.
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You clearly have a over inflated opinion of your role in this discussion. You're as much of a referee as I am.

Whilst our views obviously differ, we are both just posters on this forum. Nothing more, nothing less.

My bolds.
 
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