The Abbott Government

sydboy007 · 26 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
If even the staunch supporters of the Liberal party admit they have lost the plot, then I don't see much hope for them at the next election.

What a shame.

They need to keep just enough support to win the next election. It will be the poisoned challice.

That said, with Hockey mouthing:

“It’s in our DNA to want to deliver further tax cuts and we will in the run-up to the election”…

“The budget deficit is coming down and when I release the final budget numbers for the last 12 months, people will see actually we beat expectations”…

prepare for him to be eating humble pie wrapped in the proverbial sheet sandwich come time for the next budget.

Real per capita NDI has years further to fall in sympathy with the falling ToT (still some 30% above it's historical avg).

It would be easier to manage the coming slow down if they didn't have all the Abbott captain's picks of no changes to NG / CGT / Super taxation. They're in an increasingly tight economic straight jacket and they can't quite work out why it's not as easy as when they were members of the Howard Govt.

Pay for tax cuts with reform on NG, remove CGT concessions, limit the level of super tax concessions and use some of that money to make the pension better for the majority, help the states move towards broadly based land taxes to fund the services they're responsible for, and then you'll find witht he removal of these distortions in the economy that you can reduce income and corporate taxation to make us more competitive.

Seems the Govt has a spine when they're sending others to fight a war, but they're p!$$ weak when they need to show even an ounce of ticker to tackle some true economic reform.

noco · 26 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
If even the staunch supporters of the Liberal party admit they have lost the plot, then I don't see much hope for them at the next election.

What a shame.

Martin Ferguson thinks the same about the LUG party....(Labor, unions and the Greens.)

sptrawler · 26 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
If even the staunch supporters of the Liberal party admit they have lost the plot, then I don't see much hope for them at the next election.

What a shame.

That is where you let yourself down, I'm not a staunch supporter of any party, I say it as I see it.
Just because I don't align with what the newspapers or media have to say, doesn't mean I am staunch Liberal.

I voted for the Coalition, on the back of two terms of poor Labor Government,
I up to now haven't been overly impressed with the Coalition.
With the exception of the border policy, there really hasn't been anything to write home about.

It doesn't necessarily follow then that I will vote for Liberal or Labor, at this point I would hope someone will stand up and show some leadership potential.

All I see at the moment are, one side of politics wanting to reign in welfare, and the other side wanting to increase taxes to fund more welfare.
Neither is a long term solution to a structural problem, but it is certainly polarising for the community, which isn't helpful.

Maybe the media can tell us who will improve things, they seem to know everything, and plenty parrot them.

SirRumpole · 26 August 2015

sptrawler said:
Maybe the media can tell us who will improve things, they seem to know everything, and plenty parrot them.

I'm sure Rupert will do just that.

Didn't he have lunch with Hockey the other day ?

Any coincidence that Hockey makes himself the Minister for the Republic while Abbott is out of town ?

As Jim Hacker once said "one day you are out of your office, the next day you are out of office".

sptrawler · 26 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
I'm sure Rupert will do just that.

Didn't he have lunch with Hockey the other day ?

Any coincidence that Hockey makes himself the Minister for the Republic while Abbott is out of town ?

As Jim Hacker once said "one day you are out of your office, the next day you are out of office".

There you go. and you have the gall to call someone else, one eyed.

I think it has already been shown that Rupert has a fraction of the clout Fairfax has, and we all know who they hate.lol

SirRumpole · 26 August 2015

sptrawler said:
There you go. and you have the gall to call someone else, one eyed.

I think it has already been shown that Rupert has a fraction of the clout Fairfax has, and we all know who they hate.lol

I would vote for a good Coalition government if one came along.

Howard was twice the leader Abbott is, even if he was shortsighted and visionless and a spendthrift.

Maybe Morrison does need a run so we can suss him out before we make another electoral blunder.

sptrawler · 26 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
I would vote for a good Coalition government if one came along.

Howard was twice the leader Abbott is, even if he was shortsighted and visionless and a spendthrift.

Maybe Morrison does need a run so we can suss him out before we make another electoral blunder.

That makes more sense to me.

I don't agree with the assumption, that because Abbott is performing badly, Shorten should be given a go.

The agenda is there to be taken, neither Abbott or Shorten have what it takes to drive the agenda, someone needs to stand up.
Give Australia some goals, visions, aspirations, something to strive for other than a certain slide in living standards.

Is there any wonder 'ice' is taking over, unemployed young people with nothing to do, is always a recipe for problems.

Maybe a period of national service may help, at least it gives people something to do, gives them life skills.

Nothing could soul destroying than inter generational unemployment, it must be terrible and difficult to break.

Logique · 26 August 2015

Logique said:
...Make the vulnerable suffer, seems to be their standard response...

Explaining what I mean by this in the quotation below.

Noco - I understand your thoughts, but if you've been following the Royal Commission, do you really want this venal Opposition Leader to be the next PM?

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...strous-first-budget-fell-apart-brick-by-brick
How the [Hockey's first] budget fell apart, in full

Medicare co-payments plans – modified and sidelined before fin*ally being scrapped

The 2014-15 budget plan to introduce a $7 co-payment was dropped in December. A plan to cut the rebate for some GP visits by $5 for adult non-concession patients but leave the option for doctors to recoup the $5 from patients was dumped. A plan to slash the rebate for short consultations by $20 was also binned in January. Now there is a full review of Medicare, in consultation with doctors and patient groups. Rebates remain frozen until 2018...

noco · 26 August 2015

Logique said:
Explaining what I mean by this in the quotation below.

Noco - I understand your thoughts, but if you've been following the Royal Commission, do you really want this venal Opposition Leader to be the next PM?

Shorten would be the last bloke I would chose.....He is too under handed for my liking.

Tisme · 27 August 2015

noco said:
Shorten would be the last bloke I would chose.....He is too under handed for my liking.

I think back biting, white anting, lying, two facing, cheating on the electorate, et cetera are not the sole and exclusive domain of Labor pollies Noco. Putting trust in any politician is like looking to an actor for social and moral guidance.

sydboy007 · 27 August 2015

noco said:
Shorten would be the last bloke I would chose.....He is too under handed for my liking.

But you were so enamoured with Chopper Bishop. The least partisan speaker of the house ever, well according to Bolt and News Ltd.

Knobby22 · 27 August 2015

sptrawler said:
That makes more sense to me.

I don't agree with the assumption, that because Abbott is performing badly, Shorten should be given a go.

.

Please don't let it be an Abbott vs Shorten election.

noco · 27 August 2015

sydboy007 said:
But you were so enamoured with Chopper Bishop. The least partisan speaker of the house ever, well according to Bolt and News Ltd.

Syd, I do not know how you came to that conclusion......I had no time for what Bishop did and she deserved all she got.

You seem to have a history of getting things wrong.

Tisme · 28 August 2015

Yeah well

AFP to be investigated over its refusal to examine whether Bronwyn Bishop broke the law - Bevan Shields
"The Australian Federal Police's refusal to examine whether Bronwyn Bishop broke any laws by chartering a taxpayer-funded helicopter to a Liberal Party fundraiser is under investigation.
A loophole that allows federal politicians to secretly repay wrongly claimed entitlements without the public knowing will also be scrutinised by the Commonwealth Ombudsman.

Labor and members of the public asked the AFP to investigate Ms Bishop's helicopter ride in July at the height of the furore over the former speaker's lavish spending habits. Ms Bishop eventually resigned.
But the AFP refused to investigate - citing the so-called 'Minchin Protocol' - and referred the complaints to the Department of Finance.
a member of the public unhappy with the AFP's actions show there are grounds for an investigation into the AFP's general use of the Minchin Protocol, as well as its explanation for refusing to investigate Ms Bishop's spending.
The Ombudsman's operations director, Anne-Maree Harrison, has been assigned the investigation."

SirRumpole · 29 August 2015

Tisme said:
Yeah well

I wouldn't give much for the Ombudsman's job now. He or she will probably be given the Triggs treatment by Abbott & Co.

sydboy007 · 29 August 2015

I feel Abbott wants to turn the country into a police state, though he's doing a p!$$ poor effort. Venal politics once again instead of actual policy.

Very expensive but innefectual data retention laws that can be avoided by anyone with a primary school understanding of how to avoid detection.

Then we have the para military looking border force. When did Abbott receive a mandate to allow some quasi police force to sent out it's troops into a capital city and then interrogate anyone they feel like for no reason? Seems that all are guilty until proven innocent. Are we going to be required to carry our passport and birth certificate to ensure we're not locked up till some Govt offical decides we are citizens?

Hopefully the negative reaction to this has stopped a very dangerous can of worms from being opened.

SirRumpole · 29 August 2015

sydboy007 said:
I feel Abbott wants to turn the country into a police state, though he's doing a p!$$ poor effort. Venal politics once again instead of actual policy.

Very expensive but innefectual data retention laws that can be avoided by anyone with a primary school understanding of how to avoid detection.

Then we have the para military looking border force. When did Abbott receive a mandate to allow some quasi police force to sent out it's troops into a capital city and then interrogate anyone they feel like for no reason? Seems that all are guilty until proven innocent. Are we going to be required to carry our passport and birth certificate to ensure we're not locked up till some Govt offical decides we are citizens?

Hopefully the negative reaction to this has stopped a very dangerous can of worms from being opened.

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It's absurd that a government would think of doing something so intrusive as apparently picking people at random in the street and demanding to see their id. No doubt the idea of an ex cop like Dutton trying to turn the country into a police State.

Abbott should sack this idiot now before the whole thing blows up in his face like so many things have done before.

noco · 29 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
It's absurd that a government would think of doing something so intrusive as apparently picking people at random in the street and demanding to see their id. No doubt the idea of an ex cop like Dutton trying to turn the country into a police State.

Abbott should sack this idiot now before the whole thing blows up in his face like so many things have done before.

So Rumpy, you and Sydboy condone illegal immigrants roaming the streets at will and breaking the law with overstayed visas.....How many could be terrorists?......you would not know and probably do not care.......If you lived in a communist state I doubt you would get away with it.

Look, it is not that agree with the way the Victorian Government and the AFP went about their task as I am sure there are better ways of doing it.

From what I understand is when an overseas visitor enters the country on a study or work visa, they are normally nominated by a sponsor, so I do not see any reason why the authorities cannot go to their sponsor and seek their whereabouts....If the sponsor states they do not know, then they should be held accountable.....

If in the case of a holiday visa, sooner or later those who have broken the law will have to seek employment to live and this where employers could play a role.

Where there is a will there is a a way.

SirRumpole · 29 August 2015

noco said:
So Rumpy, you and Sydboy condone illegal immigrants roaming the streets at will and breaking the law with overstayed visas.....How many could be terrorists?......you would not know and probably do not care.......If you lived in a communist state I doubt you would get away with it.

Look, it is not that agree with the way the Victorian Government and the AFP went about their task as I am sure there are better ways of doing it.

From what I understand is when an overseas visitor enters the country on a study or work visa, they are normally nominated by a sponsor, so I do not see any reason why the authorities cannot go to their sponsor and seek their whereabouts....If the sponsor states they do not know, then they should be held accountable.....

If in the case of a holiday visa, sooner or later those who have broken the law will have to seek employment to live and this where employers could play a role.

Where there is a will there is a a way.

Yes noco, ensuring that people who overstay their visa are deported is part of the immigration Departments job.

It's not part of the Border Protection Force's job, and the way it was handled smacks of a political exercise, not a police exercise.

noco · 29 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
Yes noco, ensuring that people who overstay their visa are deported is part of the immigration Departments job.

It's not part of the Border Protection Force's job, and the way it was handled smacks of a political exercise, not a police exercise.

How do you claim it to be a political exercise?....What has politics got to do with it?...Wasn't the Victorian Labor government also involved?

I also believe the Border Protection Force embraced several agencies including the Immigration Department....It is a shame the LUG Party are more than happy to allow illegal immigrants and those who overstay on a visa to break the rules and in particular the Labor Party's comrade Sarah Hanson-Young.

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