The Abbott Government

[noco]

Hate to say, they will double the debt by the end of next year. Didn't the Courier Mail advise you of this?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/10/27/coalition-on-track-to-double-labor’s-debt-and-deficit/

Bring Back Costello from retirement...please or put a proven manager in charge (Bishop) or a merchant banker and successful businessman (you know who). The career politician is failing us.

Once again it never ceases to amaze when I see quotes from a leftist paper like Crikey.

Crickey was originally started by a guy named Stephan Mayne who was tied in with Jeff Kennett and later sold his interest to Guy Rundle for $1 million.....Now Guy Rundle is anti capitalist and pro Marx......He speaks a lot about Karl Marx and about revolution away from capitalism.

His Editor Marnie Cordell is also very critical of conservative governments and recently had a run in with Gerard Henderson over comments she made about Anne Henderson, Gerard Henderson's wife.

https://overland.org.au/2014/11/making-revolution-a-reply-to-davidson/

I would not hesitate to say, the Green/Labor party must surely have some influence over crickey.com.au even though it is purported as being an independent paper.

 

[sydboy007]

Costello?????????.... hell no....why Costello when we have the worlds greatest treasurer sitting on the back bench...You know the one, who in 2013 who said we were in surplus and then corrected himself to $2 billion deficit, then $11 billion, then $18 billion and then find out after the 2013 election we were $48 billion in the red....all in about 6 weeks.

Considering how badly hockey will be looking by the end of the year. Can't even get the business CAPEX forecasts to last a week from the budget.

The liberals are definitely finding life tougher when Australians are saving again and revenue isn't rising faster than GDP growth.

Why no surplus yet when we had Govt members in opposition promising surplus after surplus even through a GFC style down turn?

 

[noco]

Considering how badly hockey will be looking by the end of the year. Can't even get the business CAPEX forecasts to last a week from the budget.

The liberals are definitely finding life tougher when Australians are saving again and revenue isn't rising faster than GDP growth.

Why no surplus yet when we had Govt members in opposition promising surplus after surplus even through a GFC style down turn?

I think you are becoming confused with the Green/Labor socialist left who were the ones who promised a surplus...Swan and Gillard stated it 500 times before the election.
I am sorry I have to keep reminding you.

 

[sydboy007]

I think you are becoming confused with the Green/Labor socialist left who were the ones who promised a surplus...Swan and Gillard stated it 500 times before the election.
I am sorry I have to keep reminding you.

back in 2013 Hockey said "Based on the numbers presented last Tuesday night we will achieve a surplus in our first year in office and we will achieve a surplus for every year of our first term."

back in 2012 Christopher Pyne claimed "Well if there had been a Coalition government for the last five years, Kieran, I think most people accept that we would have had continuing surpluses."

october 2013 Abbott pledged “We will get back to surplus at least as quickly as the former government claimed that it would get back to *surplus."

I wont go on, but there were plenty of claims while in opposition that a surplus would be easy to produce. They probably were easy when some of them were member of the Howard Govt and had a rising ToT to provide windfall revenue - $100B extra by some estimates. It's a very different experience when you face a declining ToT and the unwinding of the largest CAPEX boom in history, but that info isn't really relevant. Deficit = bad and poor management in Liberal speak.

What's your views on the Liberals accepting mafia money? More importantly, what's your views on Vandstone providing a visa for a mafia boss who then gets caught a few years later over one of the largest ecstasy busts in Australia. I'd have thought you'd be on you soap box by now shouting all about it, but since it's not Labor or some fabian socialist plot it's not bothering you too much?

 

[sptrawler]

Well it looks as though university fees may come back on the agenda, as people are talking about the ridiculous amount of students doing degrees.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/unive...ng--success-and-job-prospects-20150630-gi0d4a

Maybe Uni students are stressed, because they really don't have the academic ability, for the course.
The whole education system has become a joke, it starts as a child minding service, and ends as a sausage factory with limited quality control.IMO

 

[luutzu]

Well it looks as though university fees may come back on the agenda, as people are talking about the ridiculous amount of students doing degrees.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/unive...ng--success-and-job-prospects-20150630-gi0d4a

Maybe Uni students are stressed, because they really don't have the academic ability, for the course.
The whole education system has become a joke, it starts as a child minding service, and ends as a sausage factory with limited quality control.IMO

One way is to blame the universities, the other is to blame poor economic management and investment decisions that does not create enough demand for goods and services that will lead to greater demand for graduates and employment in general.

Let say those graduate do not go to university but attend TAFE or just get a job... if there's no job in the trades or the fast food industry, what then? It's not like there's plenty of jobs just too many unqualified uni graduates.

There's just way too much vested power pushing to dumb down the population, pushing too much debt on them.
But maybe the thinking is when the mines and minerals runs out, we'll just invest in cattle and export those to China or something. Who needs engineers and scientists, artist, poets, innovators and just generally well read people - there's YouTube and public libraries if they want to learn stuff after their shifts.

 

[SirRumpole]

Who needs engineers and scientists, artist, poets, innovators and just generally well read people - there's YouTube and public libraries if they want to learn stuff after their shifts.

Who needs qualified tradespeople when you can import unqualified ones from China.

This country is just going under to Right Wing IPA led stupid free market bulldust economics.

 

[sptrawler]

Who needs engineers and scientists, artist, poets, innovators and just generally well read people - there's YouTube and public libraries if they want to learn stuff after their shifts.

We need engineers and scientists, apparently not enough students enrol in those courses, they're too hard.

As for artists, poets and navel gazers, we have plenty queueing for those courses.

 

[sydboy007]

For tyhose cheering on Abbott for the FTA with China I wonder if you're also happy with the clause that allows Chinese companies to bring in workers on 457 Visas and they will not have to meet Australian standards.

According to a letter outlining the deal, there will be no requirement for Chinese electricians, cabinetmakers, carpenters and mechanics to undergo mandatory skills assessment in order to qualify for a 457 visa.

We had a spike under the previous Liberal Govt with workplace deaths, and now they want to import "skilled" workers from China where there's over 70,000 work place deaths a year.

It gets worse with Robb promising the Chinese the Govt will look at trying to remove all skills assessments within 5 years. Robb claims the Chinese workers will have to provide evidence of their qualifications, but if they can't make toothpaste safely, what's a qualification worth out of China?

Hands up those who'd be happy to have a non english speaking Chinese worker redo the electrical wiring in their house?

This is a Liberal sell out of local workers, and Labor should hold their head in shame they've waved this through the parliament.

 

[sydboy007]

Who needs qualified tradespeople when you can import unqualified ones from China.

This country is just going under to Right Wing IPA led stupid free market bulldust economics.

We need engineers and scientists, apparently not enough students enrol in those courses, they're too hard.

As for artists, poets and navel gazers, we have plenty queueing for those courses.

Prob partly stems from the fact we don't have a science minister, nor much support from the Govt to encourage students into STEMs courses. Constant cut backs to the CSIRO, along with manufacturing in what could be terminal decline, the job opportunities may not be so crash hot in the near future. I'd not want to leave uni with 50K or more of debt to only end up in a lowish paying job due to lack of demand for the skills I've gained.

It seems perverse there's plenty of incentive to get into the parasitic finance industry through uni, but not much encouragement to get people into more productive courses that would help to rebuild our infrastructure and competitiveness in the tradeables sector.

I don't believe any political party is taking this seriously at present.

 

[luutzu]

We need engineers and scientists, apparently not enough students enrol in those courses, they're too hard.

As for artists, poets and navel gazers, we have plenty queueing for those courses.

Too hard to get a job afterwards.

Whereas with English majors and naval gazing, there's the Ministry of Information and big banks or their wholly owned subsidiaries in Canberra

But even with plenty of jobs and crazy pay for those in finance, they still managed to write bad propaganda and continuously wreck economies for some reason.

 

[luutzu]

Prob partly stems from the fact we don't have a science minister, nor much support from the Govt to encourage students into STEMs courses. Constant cut backs to the CSIRO, along with manufacturing in what could be terminal decline, the job opportunities may not be so crash hot in the near future. I'd not want to leave uni with 50K or more of debt to only end up in a lowish paying job due to lack of demand for the skills I've gained.

It seems perverse there's plenty of incentive to get into the parasitic finance industry through uni, but not much encouragement to get people into more productive courses that would help to rebuild our infrastructure and competitiveness in the tradeables sector.

I don't believe any political party is taking this seriously at present.

Like the US, we're becoming a one-party country: the pro-Business party.

 

[Ald123]

Look chaps it's too Expensive to educate people in Australia. It's much easier and cheaper to set the universities up to milk money from foreigners and pay the university ranking crowds to bolster Australian university rankings up so that everyone believes that Australian universities are the best in the world. It's much cheaper to get a fully qualified immigrant who has already paid for his studies and is willing to come to Australia and pay the Australian government to come here plus pay to get set up with his savings from elsewhere then waste time educating a local. Why would you do that? It's also cheaper to get a foreign worker in on a 457 visa then to hire an Australian local. Why would you hire an Australian when you can bring somebody else in who will then work hard to build himself a future and spend his wages in Australia because in Australia nobody can save anything to send home anyway. It's one more consumer you bring into the country. The true blue Australian can sell his house and give some taxes back to the government and move somewhere into outback Australia to get another job at a lower standard of living if he can't compete. The Chinese guy will be a future Australian anyway. The aim of the government of Australia is to increase the population of Australia and to have that foreigner bring all his foreign money into Australia. It's not like the True blues Australian is going to leave right? If the true blue Australian complains to much and gets restless well that's why we have the militarised police and strict laws to keep him in place. This thread title, the Abbot Goverment, what a load of utter baloney! What difference does it make who's government is is, nothing changes. Every time I go vote in my electorate I just want to laugh and laugh and laugh, I get liberal shirts, and labour shirts and the greens shirts and I ask the lady who hands me a ballot paper and the pencil if she knows that pencil can be rubbed out while she has no clue what I am even suggesting. It's a joke, before elections you will have family members At a drunken barbecue in the park shouting and arguing with each other frothing at the mouth because one is labour the other is liberal, as if that is of any significance whatsoever? I love Australians and Australia its the best place in the world for a good laugh. I read the Australian newspapers and they are the best. Its first class entertainment from speeches in parliament on misogyny, Johnny Depp and his Dogs, big dick swinging politicians, Italian Mafia connections, Shane warne. The place is incredible.

 

[luutzu]

Look chaps it's too Expensive to educate people in Australia. It's much easier and cheaper to set the universities up to milk money from foreigners and pay the university ranking crowds to bolster Australian university rankings up so that everyone believes that Australian universities are the best in the world. It's much cheaper to get a fully qualified immigrant who has already paid for his studies and is willing to come to Australia and pay the Australian government to come here plus pay to get set up with his savings from elsewhere then waste time educating a local. Why would you do that? It's also cheaper to get a foreign worker in on a 457 visa then to hire an Australian local. Why would you hire an Australian when you can bring somebody else in who will then work hard to build himself a future and spend his wages in Australia because in Australia nobody can save anything to send home anyway. It's one more consumer you bring into the country. The true blue Australian can sell his house and give some taxes back to the government and move somewhere into outback Australia to get another job at a lower standard of living if he can't compete. The Chinese guy will be a future Australian anyway. The aim of the government of Australia is to increase the population of Australia and to have that foreigner bring all his foreign money into Australia. It's not like the True blues Australian is going to leave right? If the true blue Australian complains to much and gets restless well that's why we have the militarised police and strict laws to keep him in place. This thread title, the Abbot Goverment, what a load of utter baloney! What difference does it make who's government is is, nothing changes. Every time I go vote in my electorate I just want to laugh and laugh and laugh, I get liberal shirts, and labour shirts and the greens shirts and I ask the lady who hands me a ballot paper and the pencil if she knows that pencil can be rubbed out while she has no clue what I am even suggesting. It's a joke, before elections you will have family members At a drunken barbecue in the park shouting and arguing with each other frothing at the mouth because one is labour the other is liberal, as if that is of any significance whatsoever? I love Australians and Australia its the best place in the world for a good laugh. I read the Australian newspapers and they are the best. Its first class entertainment from speeches in parliament on misogyny, Johnny Depp and his Dogs, big dick swinging politicians, Italian Mafia connections, Shane warne. The place is incredible.

That seem to be the current thinking. To think otherwise require real Statesman and strategic geniuses... too bad we're being run by career politicians and accountants (apologies to accountants, haha).

 

[Tisme]

I see Environmental Justice Australia is about to sue the govt for inaction on climate change, based on Urgenda's success in Holland. Looks like the courts are going to set the targets from now on in around the first world nations.

And I also see that the ALP have uncovered plans to review the superannuation rules, after the govt said no changes in this or next term.

 

[sydboy007]

I see Environmental Justice Australia is about to sue the govt for inaction on climate change, based on Urgenda's success in Holland. Looks like the courts are going to set the targets from now on in around the first world nations.

And I also see that the ALP have uncovered plans to review the superannuation rules, after the govt said no changes in this or next term.

Well Abbott and Robb are set to leash the Govt to ISDS clauses, so get used to foreign corps telling us what we can and can't do.

Shame teh nationals wont have the balls to block the TPP legislation since it wont give the farmers anything, but will make a lot of IP much more expensive for us.

 

[drsmith]

Bank deposits tax not yet dead but government backbenchers are protesting,

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/bank-deposit-tax-faces-backbench-revolt-20150629-gi08n9

 

[Smurf1976]

too bad we're being run by career politicians and accountants (apologies to accountants, haha).

There's a role for accountants certainly, just as there is a role for many different people, but I do consider current thinking to be excessively focused on short term finances to the detriment of the long term.

Take a look at practically any big game changing project that has ever been built. Few if any would be built under current circumstances simply because the "returns" took 10+ years to commence. Engineers and many other professions are comfortable with that concept but it doesn't suit those focused on short term politics and one year's financial results.

 

[SirRumpole]

There's a role for accountants certainly, just as there is a role for many different people, but I do consider current thinking to be excessively focused on short term finances to the detriment of the long term.

Take a look at practically any big game changing project that has ever been built. Few if any would be built under current circumstances simply because the "returns" took 10+ years to commence. Engineers and many other professions are comfortable with that concept but it doesn't suit those focused on short term politics and one year's financial results.

Private enterprise did not fund the Snowy Mountains Scheme and will not fund major infrastructure in this country because it's too much of a risk for them.

Someone in government has to have the foresight to do nation building with infrastructure, and find the finance for it.

 

[Ald123]

Private enterprise did not fund the Snowy Mountains Scheme and will not fund major infrastructure in this country because it's too much of a risk for them.

Someone in government has to have the foresight to do nation building with infrastructure, and find the finance for it.

EXACTLY yet these muppets in parliament worry only about how they can undermine the opponent.

The Australian Parliament is a highly dysfunctional entity filled with highly dysfunctional people voted in by a highly dysfunctional electorate living in a highly dysfunctional country. Sorry it's the truth about us.

If we one day decide to change things for the better we can. It's upto us.