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Calliope said:
The 'hate Abbott" campaign is plumbing ridiculous depths. The absurd Winkgate nonsense is a prime example, but the biggest absurdity was that Abbott felt the need to apologise, when he was so obviously set up by Faine and a sexline worker who is a Labor activist.

The smart thing for Abbott to have done was to tell the Labor/Green/Feminist twitterati to go to hell. The same applies to the "die of shame" remark. No explanation or apology will stop the Abbott haters from raising it, again and again, for their own grubby purposes.

His simple answer is "if you don't like it, lump it". It is when they get an apology out of him that they win, and it spurs them on to more nastiness, directed at him and his family.
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Amen

.....and I'm sick of my faceache feed getting bombarded with peurile Labor/Green misrepresentations.

The left are causing a division in society like Ive never witnessed in the Anglosphere, whipping up the haters into a muck lather.... impossible to reason with, even if it has never been easy (ref wayneL's Law).
 
Knobby22 said:
All other visits will be charged. Anyway, as you said it's not through Parliament yet, I'm sure that will be modified before then.

I heard the leader of the AMA state that he was amazed that Hockey hadn't read his own budget (on the ABC of course, it won't be mentioned in The Australian). As a general principle, the AMA aren't against charging the fee by the way.
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Yes 8 bucks per visit is pretty nasty...the charge of course is at the doctor's disgression. Other countries find much higher co-payment charges work well;

But however loud the wails, charging co-payments for GP visits is hardly unusual, even in health systems hailed for equity of access.

After all, the socially-minded Swedes do it, with co-payments that range from $20 to $30; so do the Finns, where consumers pay about $20 per visit; and even those diehard defenders of social security, the French, rely extensively on co-payments to “moderate” demand.

As for our Kiwi cousins, they have had co-payments for years. And far from services being retrenched, access to primary health services is generally very good, with 84 per cent of New Zealanders reporting that they are able to see a GP within 24 hours, as compared to about 65 per cent of Australians. Moreover, with co-payments boosting GPs’ incomes, after hours services are more readily available, with only 6 per cent of those surveyed finding surgery hours too limited.

But that isn’t to deny the co-payments will affect demand. Of course they will: the issue is by how much and with what effects.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...medicare-healthy/story-fn7078da-1226931018209
 
wayneL said:
Amen

.....and I'm sick of my faceache feed getting bombarded with peurile Labor/Green misrepresentations.

The left are causing a division in society like Ive never witnessed in the Anglosphere, whipping up the haters into a muck lather.... impossible to reason with, even if it has never been easy (ref wayneL's Law).
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Ah yars reminds one of the "ditch the witch" hate campaign doesn't it ?

But it was the Right doing the social division and hating then, so that's fine.

As I said before, "What goes around comes around".
 
wayneL said:
Tones and I are not mates Knobby. As often stated on this forum, I am not a conservative, I am a classical liberal/libertarian. As such, the Liberal party is not a good fit for me, it's just that Labor are in quantum measure, even less so.

So please, enough of the argumentative fallacy.

Fwiw, Tone's comment was fair game (though AJs was in poor taste) IMO.


The old switcheroo eh? Quoting Labor/Fabian MO and assigning it to the conservatives... Oh my, your fallaciousness knows know bounds (and your red knickers are showing).
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Calling him Tone rather than Tony suggests a high level of familiarity, even mateship. That is what I was referring to.

Hey the Orwell comment hit home hey? Sorry, if I don't agree with everything you write.
 
SirRumpole said:
Ah yars reminds one of the "ditch the witch" hate campaign doesn't it ?

But it was the Right doing the social division and hating then, so that's fine.

As I said before, "What goes around comes around".
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Was ditch the witch a campaign, or one person with a placard?
 
wayneL said:
Was ditch the witch a campaign, or one person with a placard?
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It resulted from Alan Jones's "dump her overboard" statement, rallies were held at which Jones, Abbott and co. et al appeared and denounced Gillard and the Carbon tax, so that could be called a campaign.
 
wayneL said:
Was ditch the witch a campaign, or one person with a placard?
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Me thinks that one placard was a deliberate attempt by the Socialist left to shame Tony Abbott.....It popped up behind him where he could not see it.......Ah yes, nothing would surprise me with Labor's dirty tactics of late.
 
noco said:
Me thinks that one placard was a deliberate attempt by the Socialist left to shame Tony Abbott.....It popped up behind him where he could not see it.......Ah yes, nothing would surprise me with Labor's dirty tactics of late.
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Ah yes, nothing would surprise me if the Right accuse the Left of holding placards up at Abbott's rallies.

It's typical of the Right's sneaky tactics

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Ditch the witch wasn't such a bad placard. Just a rhyme, not that bad.

It was the following one that caused all the anger.

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Sophie shouldn't have turned up to that one. I am sure it helped her lose her seat.

But there is always someone willing to take the piss - thank God. At least I think they are????


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Where do you think those ice cubes come from?
 
Calliope said:
The 'hate Abbott" campaign is plumbing ridiculous depths. The absurd Winkgate nonsense is a prime example, but the biggest absurdity was that Abbott felt the need to apologise, when he was so obviously set up by Faine and a sexline worker who is a Labor activist.

The smart thing for Abbott to have done was to tell the Labor/Green/Feminist twitterati to go to hell. The same applies to the "die of shame" remark. No explanation or apology will stop the Abbott haters from raising it, again and again, for their own grubby purposes.

His simple answer is "if you don't like it, lump it". It is when they get an apology out of him that they win, and it spurs them on to more nastiness, directed at him and his family.
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Agree, and well said, Calliope.

The ABC are becoming an absolute joke, time for some trimming, well and truly.
 
SirRumpole said:
Did you say "don't worry mum, Labor and the Greens will save you" ?

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No she still has her marbles, there is no way she would believe that.

She has lived through enough Labor governments, to know it always ends up in debt and belt tightening.

Yep, only ex union organisers and rusted on ex shop stewards believe that garbage.
 
sptrawler said:
No she still has her marbles, there is no way she would believe that.

She has lived through enough Labor governments, to know it always ends up in debt and belt tightening.

Yep, only ex union organisers and rusted on ex shop stewards believe that garbage.
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In that case, she has obviously got what she voted for, so why the complaints ?
 
sptrawler said:
Don't believe the me,me,me mentality is is limited to the young.lol
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If your parents worked hard and paid their taxes then I believe they have more grounds to complain when something they have is taken away than do young people who want everything without working for it.

That's why I think that raising marginal tax rates is a better way of ensuring sustainability of services in the long term.

Young people will get the advantages of a good health system later in life, and old people will get the services now when they need them, and not in 20 years when they are dead and the Medical Research Fund may or may not have found a cure for their ailments.

It's about basic fairness, and this budget fails that test.
 
SirRumpole said:
If your parents worked hard and paid their taxes then I believe they have more grounds to complain when something they have is taken away than do young people who want everything without working for it.

That's why I think that raising marginal tax rates is a better way of ensuring sustainability of services in the long term.

Young people will get the advantages of a good health system later in life, and old people will get the services now when they need them, and not in 20 years when they are dead and the Medical Research Fund may or may not have found a cure for their ailments.

It's about basic fairness, and this budget fails that test.
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I agree 100% with you, but I'm prepared to see what comes out of the tax review, before I make my judgements.

We keep going around the same loop.
 
Looks like Brandis has officially backed down with regard to the race law change. I am sure the open criticism within the party forced his hand.

Another newsworthy element today was that the Federal police today were forced to admit that they did not advise Tony Abbott to not attend the Deakin university visit. Chris Pyne on Lateline advised that the AFP did give this advice, unfortunately he was lying or at least ill advised by the Prime Minister's office that stated publically that this occurred.
 
Do the Liberals still take donations from the tobacco industry,or have they recently ceased?
Having a medical research fund and taking donations from the tobacco industry is incompatible and insincere.
 
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