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What happens when he tries to negotiate with Palmer/Greens ? How can they believe any offers he makes them ?
Better late than never amazing you have just come to this conclusion. Of course you will still find the facts on the ABC even if they have been beaten into submission by the extremist's from the right.
Its been interesting with the punters not believing Abbott (didn't give him a mandate in the senate) but sort of agreeing with the sentiment to throw out Labor.
Now that the population is being lied to on a daily basis, broken promises, everyone bar Abbott misunderstanding etc what happens next election when Abbott fronts up with more promise's?
fascinating isn't it?
'(read in pirate voice)
Ahh come on Knobby, don't be like that.... 'They've stopped the boats'
Its funny, my neighbors here are all from Michigan (up to a dozen at times), the "thumb" actually. They're all very much hard working mid westerners, with a no nonsense attitude. Pretty conservative, mostly republican. We met up with an old friend of mine from Australia, in Thailand, a Union guy. My Michigan friends just cannot get over the benefits for a tradesman/union guys in Australia. I mean these Michigan people are on less than half the wage, net net that my Australian mate was on (and he had no trade).
The guys from Michigan are all over Obama's big government and social handouts, more and more tax and healthcare levies. They really hate the entitlements that the GM boys got when they bailed out. Such a different view that you get from the working class in the US. They're all for business getting breaks so they can hire more people...
Its hardly the model for a successful economy given their track record, but its interesting the difference between the working class (blue collar or whatever) in the two countries....
This thread has now been Rumpolized...i.e. trivialised.
I understand what you're saying, but from the government's point of view, it's probably reasonable that they put out feelers as to how much the electorate will accept . That is simply being realistic.With respect to you Julia, that makes this Budget even worse.
Mucking around with peoples lives for the hell of it ?
+1/Actualy Rumpole, he is saying nothing and doing nothing untill he obtains expert advice.
It is a shame Labor didn't do the same thing when they were in office, we wouldn't be in the mess we are.
To be fair to at least ABC Radio National, they did this and provided a pretty well balanced overview.Many moons ago when the media used to be a reasonable source of accurate information. They used to get an expert panel together after a budget to discuss the merrit good or bad.
Now in the era of social networking and instant hit reporting, expert panels are boring.
Yes, exactly so.Now we have to have sensationalism and trying to trip up the politician or capture that close up of them picking there nose or ear.
If you read Knobby's posts, it is the poor reporting of the facts that is causing his uncertainty. The facts are either not reported, incorrectly reported or presented in a manner to strike fear into the reader.
Get a life Calliope. Without SirRumpole, you would be talking to yourself.
Your biggest contribution to this thread was starting it, that is all.
My contribution, very little, except I think the medicare co-payment is a long overdue good idea.
Get a life Calliope. Without SirRumpole, you would be talking to yourself.
Your biggest contribution to this thread was starting it, that is all.
My contribution, very little, except I think the medicare co-payment is a long overdue good idea.
I'm surprised that you are a Rumpole fan. Your support for the medicare co-payment is at odds with Rumpole's philosophy that the taxpayer should support all his needs. However it is refreshing to see that we can at least agree on the co-payment.
But if you were to ask them who they believe should be actually paying for their education if not them, I've not heard a single one of them come up with an answer.
Labor, The Greens, and PUP are all full of criticisms, but I have not heard any of them explain how we can cease borrowing the $1 billion per month that Trainspotter pointed out just to pay the interest on the debt, and how the reality that Australia has the fastest rate of spending growth in the world can be addressed.
There seems to be a general reluctance to raise taxes in this country, even though we are not highly taxed in global terms. If a party said "expenses are exceeding income, so to maintain services we need to raise marginal tax rates by 1% across the board", I think people would accept that, and it spreads the burden over all income levels rather than just targetting the low paid, but politicians see this as political poison and so they don't trust the electorate to understand that income tax rises may be necessary. However they are quite willing to surreptitiously entertain a GST increase/broadening which is a regressive tax that affects people more when they can least afford it.
Ever thought about doing some research before making claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates
We are up with the best of them when it comes to business and personal tax rates and our gst is one of the lowest.
Not saying your asertion that taxes could be put up, is wrong.
Just saying your supporting evidence is unfounded.
Australia’s tax-to-GDP ratio is low by international standards. In 2010 (Australia’s 2010-11 financial year), the latest year for which comparable international data is available, Australia had the fifth lowest tax burden of the OECD countries (Chart 1) and has typically ranked in the bottom third of countries since 1965 (when comparable data was first available). In 2010, Australia’s tax-to-GDP ratio was 25.6 per cent — below the OECD average of 33.8 per cent.
Australia’s composition of direct taxes differs from most OECD countries. Australia is one of two OECD countries (the other being New Zealand) that do not levy social security taxes. In contrast, social security taxes are a large source of direct taxation revenue for a significant number of OECD countries (Chart 5).
Relative to GDP, Australia has the third lowest level of total taxation on personal income, which includes taxes on personal income, social security taxes and taxes on payroll, in the OECD (Chart 6). Australia’s tax burden relating to these items (11.2 per cent of GDP) is lower than the OECD average (18.4 per cent).
Most indirect taxation in OECD countries is generated through various taxes on goods and services. Australia has the fourth lowest level for goods and services taxes and total indirect taxation in the OECD (Chart 7). Australia’s indirect tax burden relating to these items is 9.7 per cent of GDP which is significantly lower than the OECD average of 12.9 per cent.
The rate of excise duty on unleaded petrol in Australia is 38.1 cents per litre. This rate has been maintained since the indexation of petrol excise rates to the consumer price index (CPI) ceased in March 2001. The impact of excise duty on unleaded petrol, combined with the impact of general consumption taxes (value added tax (VAT), GST and sales taxes), is shown in Chart 8 for most OECD countries. Under this combined measure, which illustrates the total tax imposed on consumers, the average level of tax included in petrol prices for the OECD countries was A$ 0.95 per litre in the second quarter of 2012. In comparison, the level of tax included in unleaded petrol prices in Australia for the second quarter of 2011 was about half this amount at A$ 0.54 per litre — the fourth lowest of the OECD countries for which comparable data are available.
Also your repetition about not increasing tax rates, when you are fully aware that the tax system is to be reviewed would indicate selective memory or memory retention problems
Agree Macquack, even if they made it $3, it would make people think, do I want a coffee or have a chat to the doctor.
When I was at work, they placed work gloves on the store counter, to stop people from cutting their hands in minor accidents. Well they couldn't keep the supply up, as soon as a new box was opened they were gone.
The company decided to make it a store requisition stock, which meant you had to fill out a requisition form.
Nobody was interested in gloves anymore.
If it's free, people don't appreciate it, they abuse the privilege and it isn't valued.
A bit like advice or lending something.lol
Can the US is a poor example with a massive working class poor and the middle class going backwards in real terms from the 90's, 19% or the wealth has been redistributed to the very top end wealthy.
Biggest group of suckers on the planet as they keep buying the great American dream.
Agree IFocus that they are an extreme example, then Australia is likely the other extreme really....
Being from Canada i'm actually quite socialist, i don't mind high tax as long as supports good health care and education. However having been away from home so long and having to pay for everything ourselves recently, I'm not as keen as before to pay for others....
If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.
THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.
Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.
The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).
Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.
The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.
We are a Nation Of Welfare Whingers
but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.
We are a Nation Of Welfare Whingers
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ngers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807
What do consider we should receive in return for the taxes we pay ?
.HALF of Australian families receive more in handouts than they pay in net income tax, new figures reveal
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