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In todays paper, Noel Whittaker says 11% of taxpayers pay 61% of all the income tax. Guess we need to crank that up.
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Here's some info regarding the situation in NZ, Rumpole.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-...land-hands-down-very-different-budget/5459904
The part relating to Kiwis heading to Australia: my bolds
Certainly, a growing number of New Zealanders living in Australia are choosing to return to the greener pastures of home, and fewer are crossing the Tasman in the first place.
Prior to his National Party taking office, Mr Key says 3,000 Kiwis each month packed up and moved to Australia. He says that number is now 350 and falling.
"So what people are responding to is that they see a strong growing economy in New Zealand,"
It's an interesting read.
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Here's some info regarding the situation in NZ, Rumpole.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-...land-hands-down-very-different-budget/5459904
The part relating to Kiwis heading to Australia: my bolds
Certainly, a growing number of New Zealanders living in Australia are choosing to return to the greener pastures of home, and fewer are crossing the Tasman in the first place.
Prior to his National Party taking office, Mr Key says 3,000 Kiwis each month packed up and moved to Australia. He says that number is now 350 and falling.
"So what people are responding to is that they see a strong growing economy in New Zealand,"
It's an interesting read.
Very good. I wonder how many came here for the social security benefits ? We may save some money from their departure.
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Very good. I wonder how many came here for the social security benefits ? We may save some money from their departure.
Actualy they seem to network well and get each other jobs, at least in the Kalgoorlie goldfields they do.lol
Like the article said, NZ went through the welfare tightening several years ago.
We can keep blowing the spending out, but sooner or later it has to be addressed.
Increasing taxes alone, won't cover it, that is why a overall assesment of the whole tax system is required.
Labor know the problems the same as the government, it's all theatre at the moment, but it's good for a chat.
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Perhaps take a look into your assertion above.Very good. I wonder how many came here for the social security benefits ? We may save some money from their departure.
New Zealanders are not eligible for welfare, other than, I think, Medicare, on the same basis as the reciprocal agreement Australia has with many countries.
The notion of them coming over here, and swanning about on the dole, is entirely mischievous and false.
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Very good. I wonder how many came here for the social security benefits ? We may save some money from their departure.
Do you think so? I suppose you prefer the illegals? Humour? No just stupidity.
http://www.nzembassy.com/australia/...tralia/social-security-entitlements-for-nzers
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In todays paper, Noel Whittaker says 11% of taxpayers pay 61% of all the income tax. Guess we need to crank that up.
Tony Abbott agrees with you
The question is why does Abbott ignore all the tax expenditures that need to be reduced, and why is he going against pretty much every economist that says Australia relies far to much on direct taxes and not enough on indirect taxes?
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Tony Abbott agrees with you
The question is why does Abbott ignore all the tax expenditures that need to be reduced, and why is he going against pretty much every economist that says Australia relies far to much on direct taxes and not enough on indirect taxes?
Jeez for the millionth time, isn't there an overall investigation into our tax base(white paper) coming up.
Wasn't this budget about trying to stem the hemorrhaging on the spending side?
I wish you were as vocal when the debt and deficit was blowing out.
All of a sudden Abbott is a ba$tard for starting to sort it. When even Glen Stevenson is saying the promises on spending, by Labor, were completely unaffordable.
You're a hard person to please.
Bring on a double dissolution, we need to choose which bunch of liars can sort it.lol
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Tony Abbott agrees with you
The question is why does Abbott ignore all the tax expenditures that need to be reduced, and why is he going against pretty much every economist that says Australia relies far to much on direct taxes and not enough on indirect taxes?
Past 6 years off the top of my head....
NBN (cost blow out, way behind schedule)
NDIS (not enough money to fund it in the first place)
Fuel watch (failed policy - scrapped)
Grocery watch (failed policy - scrapped)
Cash for clunkers (failed policy - scrapped)
Batts (failed policy - scrapped)
BER (failed policy - scrapped)
Super GP Clinics (failed policy - scrapped)
Immigration cost blow outs (you know the results, $6 billion+)
Carbon Tax (failed to collect much revenue)
Mining Tax (failed to collect much revenue)
Tax reform (haven't heard much about it)
Almost hit the $300 billion Government debt ceiling too.
Sorry SYD, which side were you talking about?
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Possibly the Government should have been a lot more prepared, or at least as prepared as they made out to be pre election.
It doesn't make sense to do a poor half job with the budget now and have to wait at least a year, possibly the next election, before they're even willing to do any meaningful reform.
If they'd actually tackled some of the gross distortions in the tax system, along with some non ideologically based cuts to spending, then I'd say there'd be just as much howling about how unfair it was, but it would be more the vested interests trying to keep their tax lurks than the current shafting the under 30s that we've currently got.
So I'll say again - PPL $5B savings, cap pre tax super contributions to 10K a year saves $6B, quarantine negative gearing to new assets. Relatively easy changes that are also socially equitable. instead you're supporting what Abbots done.
I'd say most people are criticising the way the savings are currently being made, not against the fact we do need savings. If the budget is in such a crisis, why do we have to wait for the tax white paper? Surely they've got some leakable kite flying changes they could make now?
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Yes maybe they could have come in all guns blazing, half cocked full of good intention and implemented half baked ideas.
Just the same as the last Government did. They are in front of a Royal Commission for that approach.
Or maybe they come in try and curb spending.
Then get people who should know what they are doing, to examine the tax system and identify where it is failing and recommend appropriate changes.
That would be novel.
As for making tax changes, I know from someone who has used a tax modelling computer, it isn't easy the ramifications can swing wildly. I agree with what you say, but I am not confident the outcome would be what you wished for.
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No humour that was at all apparent in the post to which I responded. And I can't say I've noticed much humour about anything from you, rather just a constant barrage of loathing about anything the government might attempt to do.
Perhaps just consider that the frequent aspersions against New Zealanders get a bit tired and tedious after a while, especially when there is zero basis for them.
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Ditto about yourself
You expect humour about the sort of people we now have in government ?
Hell will freeze over first.
If you insult Australians with cheap wisecracks about Ned Kelly and try and write it off as a joke, and can't take a bit in return, that's your problem not mine.
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http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/nz-citizens-claiming-payments-in-australia
Quite a few benefits that can be claimed by New Zealanders. It would be interesting to see how much is claimable by Australians living in NZ.
It seems all Centrelink benefits could by claimed by NZers if they arrived before 2001.
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Rumpole, I'll just say this: If you ever spend some time in New Zealand you may be assured that you will receive a hospitable and friendly welcome, despite your apparent dislike for us.
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I have no dislike for NZers Julia , some I have met seem only to keen to knock Australians , in jest of course, so they can expect a bit back now and then.
After that, I call truce.
OK ?
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Coalition in world of pain: Newspoll
PHILLIP HUDSON
The Australian
May 19, 2014 12:00AM
VOTERS have declared the government’s first budget to be the worst in more than 20 years, with support for the Coalition dropping to the lowest level since the dying days of Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership.
The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, revealed that Bill Shorten has taken a shock 10-point lead over Tony Abbott as better prime minister ”” and 48 per cent of voters believe last week’s budget was bad for the country.
Mr Abbott yesterday said the government had subjected itself to “a world of political pain” because tough budget decisions were *“absolutely necessary” for the long-term future of the country, as his disapproval rating doubled his approval ranking.
Thirty-nine per cent said the budget was good for the country, which was slightly better than the past three Labor budgets but 21 points lower than the last *Coalition budget in 2007.
People aged over 50 and those earning more than $90,000 were the only groups where more people ranked the budget good for the country.
In the wake of tax rises on petrol, a $7 fee to visit the GP, welfare cuts and claims some families could lose up to $6000 a year, 69 per cent said they would be personally worse-off ”” the highest level since the controversial Dawkins budget in 1993 broke a series of tax promises.
This poll is the worst for any Coalition budget on record, with only 5 per cent saying they would be better off.
More at
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...f-pain-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226922100493#
PHILLIP HUDSON
The Australian
May 19, 2014 12:00AM
VOTERS have declared the government’s first budget to be the worst in more than 20 years, with support for the Coalition dropping to the lowest level since the dying days of Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership.
The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, revealed that Bill Shorten has taken a shock 10-point lead over Tony Abbott as better prime minister ”” and 48 per cent of voters believe last week’s budget was bad for the country.
Mr Abbott yesterday said the government had subjected itself to “a world of political pain” because tough budget decisions were *“absolutely necessary” for the long-term future of the country, as his disapproval rating doubled his approval ranking.
Thirty-nine per cent said the budget was good for the country, which was slightly better than the past three Labor budgets but 21 points lower than the last *Coalition budget in 2007.
People aged over 50 and those earning more than $90,000 were the only groups where more people ranked the budget good for the country.
In the wake of tax rises on petrol, a $7 fee to visit the GP, welfare cuts and claims some families could lose up to $6000 a year, 69 per cent said they would be personally worse-off ”” the highest level since the controversial Dawkins budget in 1993 broke a series of tax promises.
This poll is the worst for any Coalition budget on record, with only 5 per cent saying they would be better off.
More at
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...f-pain-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226922100493#
+1 Julia......I have had two x 21 days tours of New Zealand ....one in 1978/79 and another in 2007.....both in a mobile homes and I cannot speak highly enough of the hospitality received on both occasions on both Islands.
For anyone to criticize NZ, they obviously have never been there.