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Guesstimating a target SP can be done fairly effectively by selecting a PER by which one can multiply the EPS.
Deciding on a PER is best done by considering the stock one has in mind in the company of other listed stocks. Include amongst the list the option of putting your money in a bank, which helps to inject realism into the exercise, because if you required, say, 7% to be inclined to put money in a bank, that is effectively a PER of 1 divided by 7%, or 14.3, which happens to be a fairly typical PER in the ASX500. A quick look at the PERs of a few companies gives the following this weekend (Sunday, 1 April 2012):
- Woolworths (WOW) – 14.74
- Flight Centre (FLT) – 13.57
- Monadelphous (MND) – 19.56
- Fleetwood (FWD) – 13.70
- JB-HiFi (JBH) – 9.13
From memory the two rental companies I know in the USA, Aaron's and Rent-A-Car have PERs of about 18 and 13 respectively, and TGA beats them on all relevant metrics except size.
Anyhow, if you compare all you know about TGA with alternative investments, you should be able to settle on a reasonable PER, and if you multiply it by the expected EPS of about 20 cents for YE 30/03/2012, you would have a reasonable target SP. In my case it is about $.20 x13 = $2.60. Others could end up with $.19 x 10 = $1.90. Currently, the SP is about $1.60, so there are sellers out there using a PER of about 8. I doubt if anybody expects the EPS to be less than 19 cents.
The big end of town tend to enjoy a higher PER then the smaller caps. Some PER never makes sense to me - companies like COH / CPB / WOR are good companies that always trade on PERs that seem too high (i.e. priced for perfection), while the likes of BXB, AIO trade on a high PER without being very good companies (imho).
PER is also historical and carries certain "stigma" or "momentum". What I find is that the market will much easily retate something from at PER 4 to 8, but it is a lot harder (and takes longer) to move from 8 up to 12, even though 12 may be the right number when it comes to peer analysis. And for companies like FSA / BSA, they just don't seem to shake the PE<6 valuation for years on end.
The risk imo is that the fundamentals change when you are waiting for the market to price it from 8x to 12x - so I tend to trade my fundamental investments after PE 9-10x as a trading position (i.e. start to implement price-based stops).
With TGA, I personally consider any price between $1.6 to $2.4 to be fair. With a decent yield it makes holding $1.6 looking for $2.4 a reasonably safe exercise imho.
Pioupiou
Unless you are a trader and lock-in P/E re-ratings by selling and moving on to the next target then P/E re-ratings are fairly insignificant to the long term IRR. Why the fascinations in having the market re-rate in the short term?
The market performing an easy rerate from PER 4 to 8 makes sense to me, a company is going from cheap to conservatively priced (Assuming the company has sufficient earnings stability so I can use PE=8.5+0.5*G ). The PER rerate from 4 to 8 is really about whether market believes the company is going to earn money next year rather than is it going to achieve 10% growth for the next 5 years. The rerate from PER from 8 to 12 means that market has got to believe in the future growth.
IMO stocks which have a business model to grow in economic downturns such as CCV/TGA are no brainers however the problem is when there are economic downturns the market demands a higher discount rate, therefore to make a nice profit you actually have to buy them with a PER 5-7 and start selling near PER 10-12. They are never going to be considered a market darling due to the "inverse" nature of the business model.
I am interested in TGA, however I need to answer the following questions (Pioupiou probably knows the answers off the top of his head):-
What is the management EPS guidance ?
What is management accuracy rate for EPS guidance over the last 5 years?
This could be a low risk way to make a tidy 25% or so on 50% of my fund.
Cheers
Oddson.
Question, when is the next Dividend date?
Essentially everywhere i've read and/or looked has a fair value / target price of approx $2.00 - is the wider market waiting for EOFY reports as confirmation of the EPS growth or is there something else a large number of people are missing?
I imagine that Pipoupiou won't agree with me here but I wouldn't be buying TGA while the SP trends down, often a sign that someone knows more about a stock than I do!
Time to reassess when the trend reverses, IMO.
Had a sneaky little order filled at $1.505 today. Happy with that - thanks Perpetual.
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