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I think John Kerry was wanting to hear the answer too.
Who was instructing the police though? Maybe there needs to be some questioning there.
I personally would have been interested to hear John Kerry's answer. I'm sure a lot of others would have as well.
you are correct. hence the taser is an effective means of controlling emotionally erratic people.
OK we are going around in circles here, but clearly, your view is a minority one.
I'm happy about that.
Cheers
Mr Nairn's chief of staff has issued a statement unreservedly withdrawing the comment and saying he regrets any offence.
He says it was a rhetorical remark that on reflection was clearly inappropriate
Nairn faces grilling over chief of staff comments
Posted Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:03pm AEST
Updated 11 hours 48 minutes ago
Special Minister of State Gary Nairn has faced a grilling in question time over allegations that his chief of staff made comparisons between Labor candidate Mike Kelly's military service in Iraq and Nazi soldiers.
Deputy Opposition leader Julia Gillard says Mr Nairn's chief of staff went to a public meeting held by Colonel Kelly, where he accused him of using the Nuremberg defence to explain his actions in Iraq.
Ms Gillard used question time to ask Mr Nairn if he approves of his chief of staff's conduct.
"I refer to the minister to a question posed by his chief of staff Peter Phelps to Colonel Mike Kelly asking if he compared his military service in Iraq to that of Nazi guards at the Belson Concentration Camps.
"Shame shame!
"Does the minister endorse his chief of staff's conduct?"
Mr Nairn says his chief of staff, Peter Phelps, was acting as a private citizen when he went to a community forum in Queanbeyan.
"I think its only appropriate that individuals in their own private capacity when invited to attend a forum goes along to that forum and participates in that debate," he said.
"The minister has the call, certainly Dr Phelps was there, went along in his personal capacity."
Mr Nairn says he cannot vouch for the comments because he was not there.
"My chief of staff did not attend that forum at any direction from me he was not at that forum as my chief of staff he attended as a citizen of Queanbeyan who received an invitation to attend the forum," he said.
Australia's only Jewish Federal MP, Labor's Michael Danby, says the statements were disgraceful.
"I felt sick to my stomach sitting in Federal Parliament hearing some of these comparisons," he said.
He has called on the Prime Minister to condemn the comments.
Mr Nairn's chief of staff has issued a statement unreservedly withdrawing the comment and saying he regrets any offence.
He says it was a rhetorical remark that on reflection was clearly inappropriate
And, 2020 Hindsight, you manage to draw quite astonishing conclusions from my earlier comments. I have not supported the use of a taser. I simply observed that on the video it appeared to do little to subdue him.
Further, though, no I do not have empathy for some twit whose main purpose is disruption.
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?
Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.
I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
btw, JuliaOriginally Posted by Julia
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?
BTW, lol - you cannot argue it was his resisting that is the problem because - the police intervention in the first place was unwarranted.
let's pretend we're playing with kid's building blocks here
without the first one, you cannot build on it to make the second one yes?
and Julia
you might expand on what Kerry did or didn't do to qualify as so ineffectual. My point is that those police had made up their minds when they marched up to that bloke - nothing that the chairman (presumably not Kerry surely - surely he was guest speaker!?) could have done about it.
ok, Garpal, poll question presumably goes something like this (?) ....
that people who make loud and emotional, possibly slanted, but otherwise harmless comments of a political nature at a public meeting should be tasered.
(This bloke, Peter Phelps, didnt want to shut up either btw - AND far far more objectionable comments than any comments made in the original questions which triggered the police actions in the JK incident)
But you would presumably say "taser the turkey" ? yes?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/19/2037873.htm
Questions along the lines of
It was reasonable to taser the person questioning John Kerry at the recent Univ of Florida meeting.
It was not reasonable to taser the person questioning John Kerry at the recent Univ of Florida meeting.
would seem to be more appropriate.
I notice Queensland police are being criticised for the use of tasers at present, so its still a topical issue and a reasonable question to put to ASF members considering the heat it engendered.
Garpal
How about
"that people like the student at Florida and also Special Minister of State Gary Nairn's chief of staff, Peter Phelps, be tasered when they are difficult at a political meeting. "
Disturbing video of a woman being repeatedly tasered by a US policeman has raised the issue of the indiscriminate use of the high-voltage weapons for the second time this week.
In the video, taken from the officer's own squad car camera, an obviously drunk woman is seen writhing in agony as the officer shocks her again and again in a nightclub car park in Warren, Ohio.
How about
"that people like the student at Florida and also Special Minister of State Gary Nairn's chief of staff, Peter Phelps, be tasered when they are difficult at a political meeting. "
But your world view and political prejudices are OK, right?Dear 2020
You and wayneL are a team.
The thread is about the guy at the John Kerry meeting, not about your worldview or political prejudices.
Garpal
But your world view and political prejudices are OK, right?
BTW, what do you think my world view is, and what are my political prejudices?
Garp,Dear wayneL
Read your posts.
Threads are threads, sometimes they go west. I think this one has.
Lets have a sensible vote.
Over and out.
Garpal
cuttlefish said:Looking at these video's - particularly the one of the drunk woman - there's no difference between the use of a taser and the use of a baton. The use of a weapon on a restrained and defenceless person is the ultimate form of gutlessness, whether it be a drunk woman, or a young student being restrained by four police officers.
I don't understand why anyone would support that sort of behaviour.
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