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I think the worst thing they could have done was taser him infront of everyone especially cameras. They should have dragged him outside and if he didnt stop then do what is necessary to restrain him.
 
wayneL said:
OK we are going around in circles here, but clearly, your view is a minority one.

I'm happy about that.

Cheers
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I don't agree that the majority of ASF oppose the tasering of this turkey at John Kerry's speech.

Is it possible to have a vote on it?

Garpal
 
ok, Garpal, poll question presumably goes something like this (?) ....

that people who make loud and emotional, possibly slanted, but otherwise harmless comments of a political nature at a public meeting should be tasered.

(This bloke, Peter Phelps, didnt want to shut up either btw - AND far far more objectionable comments than any comments made in the original questions which triggered the police actions in the JK incident)

Mr Nairn's chief of staff has issued a statement unreservedly withdrawing the comment and saying he regrets any offence.

He says it was a rhetorical remark that on reflection was clearly inappropriate
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But you would presumably say "taser the turkey" ? yes?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/19/2037873.htm

Nairn faces grilling over chief of staff comments
Posted Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:03pm AEST
Updated 11 hours 48 minutes ago

Special Minister of State Gary Nairn has faced a grilling in question time over allegations that his chief of staff made comparisons between Labor candidate Mike Kelly's military service in Iraq and Nazi soldiers.

Deputy Opposition leader Julia Gillard says Mr Nairn's chief of staff went to a public meeting held by Colonel Kelly, where he accused him of using the Nuremberg defence to explain his actions in Iraq.

Ms Gillard used question time to ask Mr Nairn if he approves of his chief of staff's conduct.

"I refer to the minister to a question posed by his chief of staff Peter Phelps to Colonel Mike Kelly asking if he compared his military service in Iraq to that of Nazi guards at the Belson Concentration Camps.

"Shame shame!

"Does the minister endorse his chief of staff's conduct?"

Mr Nairn says his chief of staff, Peter Phelps, was acting as a private citizen when he went to a community forum in Queanbeyan.

"I think its only appropriate that individuals in their own private capacity when invited to attend a forum goes along to that forum and participates in that debate," he said.

"The minister has the call, certainly Dr Phelps was there, went along in his personal capacity."

Mr Nairn says he cannot vouch for the comments because he was not there.

"My chief of staff did not attend that forum at any direction from me he was not at that forum as my chief of staff he attended as a citizen of Queanbeyan who received an invitation to attend the forum," he said.

Australia's only Jewish Federal MP, Labor's Michael Danby, says the statements were disgraceful.

"I felt sick to my stomach sitting in Federal Parliament hearing some of these comparisons," he said.

He has called on the Prime Minister to condemn the comments.

Mr Nairn's chief of staff has issued a statement unreservedly withdrawing the comment and saying he regrets any offence.

He says it was a rhetorical remark that on reflection was clearly inappropriate
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BTW, lol - you cannot argue it was his resisting that is the problem because - the police intervention in the first place was unwarranted.

let's pretend we're playing with kid's building blocks here
without the first one, you cannot build on it to make the second one yes?

and Julia
you might expand on what Kerry did or didn't do to qualify as so ineffectual. My point is that those police had made up their minds when they marched up to that bloke - nothing that the chairman (presumably not Kerry surely - surely he was guest speaker!?) could have done about it.

Julia said:
And, 2020 Hindsight, you manage to draw quite astonishing conclusions from my earlier comments. I have not supported the use of a taser. I simply observed that on the video it appeared to do little to subdue him.
Further, though, no I do not have empathy for some twit whose main purpose is disruption.
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Julia said:
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?

Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.

I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
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Originally Posted by Julia
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?
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btw, Julia
Does "death" qualify as "significant and lasting" in your books?

ahh that's right - they check with you if you have a heart condition and a miscellany of other conditions (whether or not you know about them :confused:) before they do it - no probs

btw also - the cops completely swarm all over him while tasering him
they're good at that ;)
the reason they need so many ( who incidentally still couldn't restrain him without taser??) is that they have to cover up the cameras.
 
2020hindsight said:
BTW, lol - you cannot argue it was his resisting that is the problem because - the police intervention in the first place was unwarranted.

let's pretend we're playing with kid's building blocks here
without the first one, you cannot build on it to make the second one yes?

and Julia
you might expand on what Kerry did or didn't do to qualify as so ineffectual. My point is that those police had made up their minds when they marched up to that bloke - nothing that the chairman (presumably not Kerry surely - surely he was guest speaker!?) could have done about it.
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Strongly agree. In Aus., the mere unwanted touching of a person is either an assult or an arrest, the later requiring the explanation of rights. The way the police went for this fellow would be wrong here.

Can hardly agree Julia that he was initially disruptive or a twit. He like many others is incensed at GWB and they way he maintained power. Just the disinfranchising of voters due to their ethnic descent alone was sufficient to beat John Kerry at the last presidential election apart from other anomolies, not least the bias of the Fed. Court.

One importamt matter that people tend to either forget or not recognise is that most of the best changes that have happenned in society have been because of people protest and revolt. Like shakeouts in the markets, they are healthy and get us seeing the bigger picture again
 
2020hindsight said:
ok, Garpal, poll question presumably goes something like this (?) ....

that people who make loud and emotional, possibly slanted, but otherwise harmless comments of a political nature at a public meeting should be tasered.

(This bloke, Peter Phelps, didnt want to shut up either btw - AND far far more objectionable comments than any comments made in the original questions which triggered the police actions in the JK incident)




But you would presumably say "taser the turkey" ? yes?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/19/2037873.htm
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Questions along the lines of

It was reasonable to taser the person questioning John Kerry at the recent Univ of Florida meeting.

It was not reasonable to taser the person questioning John Kerry at the recent Univ of Florida meeting.



would seem to be more appropriate.

I notice Queensland police are being criticised for the use of tasers at present, so its still a topical issue and a reasonable question to put to ASF members considering the heat it engendered.

Garpal
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Questions along the lines of

It was reasonable to taser the person questioning John Kerry at the recent Univ of Florida meeting.

It was not reasonable to taser the person questioning John Kerry at the recent Univ of Florida meeting.



would seem to be more appropriate.

I notice Queensland police are being criticised for the use of tasers at present, so its still a topical issue and a reasonable question to put to ASF members considering the heat it engendered.

Garpal
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I think the point is not that the SB was questioning Kerry, it was that he wanted to keep on hogging the mic when his time was up, and only after repeated attempts to have him shut up, and go away was he subdued. I vote in favour of the security guys by the way!
 
How about
"that people like the student at Florida and also Special Minister of State Gary Nairn's chief of staff, Peter Phelps, be tasered when they are difficult at a political meeting. "
 
Seems everyones jumping on the new taser fad lately :eek:

Disturbing video of a woman being repeatedly tasered by a US policeman has raised the issue of the indiscriminate use of the high-voltage weapons for the second time this week.

In the video, taken from the officer's own squad car camera, an obviously drunk woman is seen writhing in agony as the officer shocks her again and again in a nightclub car park in Warren, Ohio.
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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=297851
 
2020hindsight said:
How about
"that people like the student at Florida and also Special Minister of State Gary Nairn's chief of staff, Peter Phelps, be tasered when they are difficult at a political meeting. "
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Dear 2020

You and wayneL are a team.

The thread is about the guy at the John Kerry meeting, not about your worldview or political prejudices.

Garpal
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Dear 2020

You and wayneL are a team.

The thread is about the guy at the John Kerry meeting, not about your worldview or political prejudices.

Garpal
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But your world view and political prejudices are OK, right?

BTW, what do you think my world view is, and what are my political prejudices?
 
Looking at these video's - particularly the one of the drunk woman - there's no difference between the use of a taser and the use of a baton. The use of a weapon on a restrained and defenceless person is the ultimate form of gutlessness, whether it be a drunk woman, or a young student being restrained by four police officers.

I don't understand why anyone would support that sort of behaviour.
 
wayneL said:
But your world view and political prejudices are OK, right?

BTW, what do you think my world view is, and what are my political prejudices?
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Dear wayneL

Read your posts.

Threads are threads, sometimes they go west. I think this one has.

Lets have a sensible vote.

Over and out.

Garpal
 
Garpal,
praps you'll see some logic in explod's opinion.
he (unlike you or me or wayne or drmb) has been a policeman after all.

do you think his opinion is probably more important and unbiased (and relevant and educated) than yours and/or drmb's and/or Julias, etc

especially as you wish to do a poll exclusively on this person, (as against some CONSIDERABLY more obnoxious ******** in Queanbeyan) , this student in Florida whom you happily label a "twit" or a "turkey" etc. (Florida being the home of the smiling Bush brothers)

How much do you know about this meeting?
who was invited? were students encouraged to attend?
were they ENCOURAGED perhaps to ask questions?

and DRMB - you seem happy to let even SECURITY use tasers!!
sheesh
surely they have to be police at least?:confused:

Dear Garpal and drmb..
please advise your opinion of Peter Phelps, by the way.
 
cuttlefish said:
Looking at these video's - particularly the one of the drunk woman - there's no difference between the use of a taser and the use of a baton. The use of a weapon on a restrained and defenceless person is the ultimate form of gutlessness, whether it be a drunk woman, or a young student being restrained by four police officers.

I don't understand why anyone would support that sort of behaviour.
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perhaps the poll question could read:

"Do you support the use of a tazer as a weapon against a 21 year old student that is being restrained by four police?"
 
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