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cuttlefish said:
I don't really get this point. If someone who is unfit or overweight is at risk of death from being tazered, or someone who is under the influence of a substance is at risk of death from being tazered, then that would mean tazers are dangerous wouldn't it? There are also medical conditions that would increase the risk of being tazered causing either death or permanent physical injury.
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spot on cuttlefish ;)
agreed (said the beak):)
case for tasers dismissed !
 
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?

Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.

I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I have done a search on the lethality of tasers and read your quoted cbs article in detail.

I find the evidence lacking for their lethality. Many of the quoted cases were overweight, unfit, on substances or being subdued or assaulting others forcibly. Thus the evidence for implicating tasers is weak, very weak.

Garpal
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I don't, you are looking fairly silly about this now.

How many overweight, unfit and people suffering from heart conditions die when normally restrained by police? And how many die when restrained by a taser? If it is more with the latter, there is a causal link. Simple.

It seems that a lot of people that are dying in these cases, suffer from some kind of mental illness. A lot of the medications used for these things will effect the heart and adrenalin levels. If you have a weak heart, an undiagnosed condition, or are on a medication that puts the heart under stress, any shock to the system can be fatal. Until they can prove that these things are safe on every member of the public, in combination with any medication, they shouldn't be used. Because the police using them wont have knowledge of the person's medical history, or medication status, thereby putting them at risk.

They'd be far better off firing valium darts rather than using tasers. It would counteract any stimulant, and not put stress on the heart, plus achieving the same effect.
 
Julia said:
Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.

I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
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here you go then Julia
for $1000 you too can have your own taser !!! ;)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7295368/
 

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Julia said:
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?

Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.

I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
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I think the point of the taser is to make the subject exhausted...
 
chops_a_must said:
How many overweight, unfit and people suffering from heart conditions die when normally restrained by police? And how many die when restrained by a taser? If it is more with the latter, there is a causal link. Simple.
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chops - no argument ... but .. it gets worse :eek:

we've just seen a court case up at Palm Island where a man with broken ribs and a liver split in two probably due to an impact equivalent to a car crash....

and the Judge and jury had to rule it was probably "one of those things" - bad luck etc - where the policeman involved hardly even remembered bumping into him - in fact thought he landed beside him etc :(
 
Julia said:
1. Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?

2. Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.

3. I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
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1. you are pretty wild with your presumptions Julia

2. ?? empathy ? good one

3. ?? - who asked the police in in the first place !!? - sheesh

maybe - given your logic above - you'd say JK himself should have had one in his back pocket - better still - 4 or 5 - to use on the police!!
 
Ageo said:
The 1 i used to have you would need to hold it to a persons neck for 30seconds before they ended up in a coma (not dead). 30 seconds is a long time in a scuffle, (mine was a high voltage 1 also). Its like saying i dont support police having batons/ guns etc.. yes they might have over reacted but at the end of the day at least he knows in the future whos boss. These days police are treated like scum and are walked all over.
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Ageo,

I agree that is sends a message as to who is the boss. He did carry on like a little pig, perhaps with years of mummy and daddy softening him up. "Sweety you have rights" constantly drummed into... What ever happened to "responsibilities"? In this case, to shut up. Time's up - simple!

But the police did go overboard at the start. Maybe Mr kerry could have controlled it if given the chance.
 
insider said:
You must admit that the guy did act like a douche bag...
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Some more on the turkey who was tasered., from an eyewitness, who was at the John Kerry talk and who knows the turkey..

"Here is a website containing old columns written by tasered UF journalism student, Andrew Meyer. I thought you might find them interesting.

http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/bioandpersonalstories.htm

It’s evident from some of his writings, that he is nothing but a spoiled little kid in constant need of attention. In one of the “personal stories” he brags about taunting Ken Griffey, Jr. at a baseball game. Now, I enjoy a good heckle as much as the next guy, but it’s just supposed to be fun entertainment at a game. In his story, he is so proud of himself that he was important enough for Griffey to take notice, not to mention all the people around him at the game. He felt the need to brag about the incident to everyone online, as if we are all supposed to be impressed.

If you watch the video of his arrest, you can see that the same mentality is on display here. He wanted to get arrested from the beginning. He was basically goading the police into doing something by shouting “what are you going to do, arrest me?” Well, Andrew, yes… When you repeatedly ignore orders to peacefully leave, that’s what happens.

As a former University of Florida student, I’m glad that they are making attempts to control these public speaking events. The university works hard to bring in speakers of all viewponts (admittedly more liberals than conservatives), and these are a valuable resource available to the students. Too many times, I have witnessed these events being hijacked by students who have no intention of contributing anything to the discussion in a civil manner. They simply want to use these events as a platform for their own crazy conspiracy theories."

Garpal
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Some more on the turkey who was tasered., from an eyewitness, who was at the John Kerry talk and who knows the turkey..

" Here is a website containing old columns written by tasered UF journalism student, Andrew Meyer. I thought you might find them interesting.

http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/bioandpersonalstories.htm

It’s evident from some of his writings, that he is nothing but a spoiled little kid in constant need of attention. In one of the “personal stories” he brags about taunting Ken Griffey, Jr. at a baseball game. Now, I enjoy a good heckle as much as the next guy, but it’s just supposed to be fun entertainment at a game. In his story, he is so proud of himself that he was important enough for Griffey to take notice, not to mention all the people around him at the game. He felt the need to brag about the incident to everyone online, as if we are all supposed to be impressed.

If you watch the video of his arrest, you can see that the same mentality is on display here. He wanted to get arrested from the beginning. He was basically goading the police into doing something by shouting “what are you going to do, arrest me?” Well, Andrew, yes… When you repeatedly ignore orders to peacefully leave, that’s what happens.

As a former University of Florida student, I’m glad that they are making attempts to control these public speaking events. The university works hard to bring in speakers of all viewponts (admittedly more liberals than conservatives), and these are a valuable resource available to the students. Too many times, I have witnessed these events being hijacked by students who have no intention of contributing anything to the discussion in a civil manner. They simply want to use these events as a platform for their own crazy conspiracy theories. "

Garpal
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Garp,

You are confused and mixing up issues.

Being annoying in no justification for being tazed.

Asked to leave be quiet/leave for being out of order? - yes.

Manhandled out the door? - yes

Arrested for resisting? - yes

Tazed under those circumstances? - Absolutely not.

If being annoying and attention seeking is justification for being tazed, then we really have entered the twilight zone.
 
coming back to Brad's original link ...
I am reminded of an old joke :eek:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/general/tasered-for-asking-kerry-questions/2007/09/18/1189881504453.html
Andrew Meyer, 21, asked the Democrat senator why he did not contest the 2004 presidential election, which he lost to President Bush, and why there had been no moves to impeach Mr Bush. ... police... tasers etc
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George Bush visits Bourke school whilst touring Western NSW..
"OK children" says the teacher - "aren't we lucky to have President Bush here with us today well, are there any little questions you'd like to ASK President Bush?"

pregnant pause, Smithy's hand shoots up.

"Yes Smithy?"

"Mr Bush" says young Smithy, "I've got 3 questions! - 1. why did you invade iraq, 2. what happened to the weapons of mass detruction, and 3. why did you treat the prisoners so bad ?" -

Dubya looks uneasy, but fortunately the bell rings for recess. "ok says the teacher - recess!"

Returning after 20 mins, the teacher again invites questions. "Yes Thommo?"

"Mr Bush" says young Thommo, "I've got 5 questions! - 1. why did you invade iraq, 2. what happened to the weapons of mass detruction, and 3. why did you treat the prisoners so bad - ........4. why did the recess bell ring 5 minutes early, and
5. ........what's happened to Smithy??" :confused:
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smh article again
Meyer was scheduled to appear in court Tuesday morning, a jail official said.

Orlando said university police would conduct an internal investigation on the incident.

"The police department does have a standard procedure for when they use force, including when they use a Taser," Orlando said. "That is what the internal investigation would address - whether the proper procedures were followed, whether the officers acted appropriately."
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Any guesses as to what the "internal investigation" will find?. :eek:
 
the US police force is full of delusional thugs - using excessive force just to satisfy their own sadistic nature - most police are bottom feeders who failed to get into uni and are basically bitter because they have to deal with society's turds - they are also underpaid considering the risk - so they take their frustration out on the general public
 
Don't feel to sorry him. He will probably get a huge payout from the media exposure. This is probably the best thing that has ever happened to him.
 
A young student, enthusiastic and a little overconfident (nothing like the exuberance of youth) has the courage to throw down the debating gauntlet to someone he clearly had respect for (JK). He came with a well prepared set of questions that were set up well and eloquently presented and introduced himself respectfully to the speaker.

Lively debate, challenging boundaries and spirited exploration of ideas is part and parcel of the passage through adolescence, particulary in a higher learning institution. John Kerry, in the spirit of this environment, appeared to look forward to taking up the challenge thrown down by this young enthusiastic individual and agreed to respond.

DEN DA POLICE GOT DA PUNK WIT DA TAZER
 
cuttlefish said:
A young student, enthusiastic and a little overconfident (nothing like the exuberance of youth) has the courage to throw down the debating gauntlet to someone he clearly had respect for (JK). He came with a well prepared set of questions that were set up well and eloquently presented and introduced himself respectfully to the speaker.

Lively debate, challenging boundaries and spirited exploration of ideas is part and parcel of the passage through adolescence, particulary in a higher learning institution. John Kerry, in the spirit of this environment, appeared to look forward to taking up the challenge thrown down by this young enthusiastic individual and agreed to respond.

DEN DA POLICE GOT DA PUNK WIT DA TAZER
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Very well put Cuttlefish. The way authourity behaves under the banner of the fight against terror should send a chill up the spine of those who cherish freedom and peace. In my view anyone that does not think the police reaction was a disgrace has a big problem.
 
explod said:
In my view anyone that does not think the police reaction was a disgrace has a big problem.
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Yes i agree but if you listen the police warned him several times and even told him if he doesnt stop resisting they are going to taser him (did he think there joking)?? when a police officer restrains you and you resist that means your not co-operating, if he layed there calmly they would have just escorted him out peacefully.
 
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