The 2000 Tech crash, Sep 11 and 2002 are all viable testing periods for a system. Run your testing from 1997 through till now, add in a small margin or error and you should be ok.
Testing is not an exact science. Making it so will never allow you to take a trade. Also understand why your system will make money and when it will and will not. Understand and accept the journey of the system. I think understanding the journey is the key to success.
The 2000 Tech crash, Sep 11 and 2002 are all viable testing periods for a system. Run your testing from 1997 through till now, add in a small margin or error and you should be ok.
Testing is not an exact science. Making it so will never allow you to take a trade. Also understand why your system will make money and when it will and will not. Understand and accept the journey of the system. I think understanding the journey is the key to success.
Testing is not an exact science. Making it so will never allow you to take a trade. Also understand why your system will make money and when it will and will not. Understand and accept the journey of the system. I think understanding the journey is the key to success.
I think one needs to be wary if backtesting a universe like the ASX200 or ASX300 that many of the stocks in there now may not have been in there some years ago, and this can dramatically affect results.
I think one needs to be wary if backtesting a universe like the ASX200 or ASX300 that many of the stocks in there now may not have been in there some years ago, and this can dramatically affect results.
For example, ZFX is now in the ASX200 but (if I recall correctly) hasn't been for all that long. If you backtest the ASX200 and your system picks up ZFX at $2 back in 2004 and is still holding it, then it will show a very healthy profit. However, assuming ZFX wasn't in the ASX200 back then (even if it was, it's only an example), this is an unrealistic gain for the system because it's buying stocks with proven gains (otherwise it wouldn't be in the ASX200 now) before they could possibly have been bought by a system with the ASX200 as its universe.
Just something to be wary of.
Cheers,
GP
This is why I continue to harp on about understanding why the system will make money.
Doh... leverage?How is it that a system that returns on average 35% P/A Compounding.
Returns 1300% in 4.5 yrs?
Is that ALL OF THE ABOVE.?
Well if its not what is it?
Its one of only 3 possible things.
It can make a big difference. The performance of a stock before it's large enough to be in the index could be considerably different to afterwards. If you design a system with the ASX200 as your universe, then you'll only ever pick for real trading stocks that are in it now. The character of that stock could be totally different to when it was smaller, and while your backtest could pick that stock in the earlier period and perhaps take huge gains on it, you couldn't do that now because those similar huge gains mightn't ever occur in a typical ASX200 stock.tech/a said:If the stock isnt in the index now but still held in a system portfolio who cares.
Basically, yes.theasxgorilla said:If I understand correctly GP, you are saying that if you allow your universe to be some present day version of the ASX300 list, and in that list are shares who just a few years ago were not in the ASX300, but are now in there due to their growth, that your backtesting could pick those shares up and ride them all the way into the ASX300. This would arguably be the time when their best gains occured, so your results would be overly favourable in backtesting?
Snake,
Most inspiration comes from looking at the long term trading records of various managers and analysing their journey and knowing full well that its to be expected. A site such as www.iasg.com shows hundreds of old and new managers (agreeably trading futures) but the concepts ring true nonetheless. Someone like Eckhardt has his 25-year record on display. We know he's a great trader, but taking a look at his results you can see his journey. By accepting this as "the norm" for a great trader, then we should also accept it as ours as well. I think this was a defining moment for me. Too many people take a money making machine such as a trend following system and attempt to tweak it to the market conditions. Instead, they should simply stick with it. I ran a trend following system for clients into the 2002 bear market. Many clients closed their accounts because their equity curves stopped moving higher. Along comes 2003 and it becomes downright frightening how much money it has cost them. People accept that their property valuations may stagnate and even decline in certain years. Why do they think differently when trading?
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