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Matthew 10:34-36 (English Standard Version)
The verses below are disturbing to read. In the next few posts, I'll list a few verses that I find troubling.

Not Peace, but a Sword
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

Skate.
 
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For context
Molech was an ancient god worshiped by the people neighboring Israel during Old Testament times.

Punishments for Disobedience (Leviticus 26:14–39; Deuteronomy 28:15–68)
1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Tell the Israelites, ‘Any Israelite or foreigner living in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death. The people of the land are to stone him. 3 And I will set My face against that man and cut him off from his people because by giving his offspring to Molech, he has defiled My sanctuary and profaned My holy name.

4 And if the people of the land ever hide their eyes and fail to put to death the man who gives one of his children to Molech, 5 then I will set My face against that man and his family and cut off from among their people both him and all who follow him in prostituting themselves with Molech.

6 Whoever turns to mediums or spiritists to prostitute himself with them, I will also set My face against that person and cut him off from his people.

7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, because I am the LORD your God. 8 And you shall keep My statutes and practice them. I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Skate.
 
To me, the punishment doesn't fit the crime
These verses below are also hard to read. Cherry-picking only the feel-good parts of the Bible makes us feel like a better person. But believing the good book holds all the answers is a fool's folly.

Punishments for Sexual Immorality (Proverbs 5:1–23; 1 Corinthians 5:1–8)
10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbour—both the adulterer and the adulteress must surely be put to death.

11 If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness. Both must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both must surely be put to death. They have acted perversely; their blood is upon them.

13 If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

14 If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is depraved. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that there will be no depravity among you.

15 If a man lies carnally with an animal, he must be put to death. And you are also to kill the animal.

16 If a woman approaches any animal to mate with it, you must kill both the woman and the animal. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

17 If a man marries his sister, whether the daughter of his father or of his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered the nakedness of his sister; he shall bear his iniquity.

18 If a man lies with a menstruating woman and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has uncovered the source of her blood. Both of them must be cut off from among their people.

19 You must not have sexual relations with the sister of your mother or your father, for it is exposing one’s own kin; both shall bear their iniquity.

20 If a man lies with his uncle’s wife, he has uncovered the nakedness of his uncle. They will bear their sin; they shall die childless.

21 If a man marries his brother’s wife, it is an act of impurity. He has uncovered the nakedness of his brother; they shall be childless.

27 A man or a woman who is a medium or spiritist must surely be put to death. They shall be stoned; their blood is upon them.’ ”

Skate.
 
I'll be here all-day
Listing every part of the Bible that either contradicts itself or is factually not true would consume this thread. From a talking donkey to a man being eaten by a giant fish to the story of Lot's incest with both daughters. I'm sure when the 66 books of the Old & New Testament were written they never thought they would be picked over with a fine tooth comb.

One biblical story
Suggests that the "breeding between gods and humans" was a major factor in God's decision to send the flood. Their children were god-human hybrids that the Bible refers to as the "Nephilim." God was unhappy about this interbreeding and "regretted" that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled, So he sent a flood that wiped out many of the "humans & Nephilim", but not before ordering Noah to build an ark that saved a select few.

The Bible sometimes implies that other gods exist
One example, coming from the Old Testament, is Psalm 82, which says, "God presides in the great assembly; He renders judgment among the gods" ... "The gods know nothing; they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken."

Skate.
 
Glorifying & Praising God ~ 28 August 2022

CityAlight is the music ministry of a church in Castle Hill, Sydney, called St. Paul’s Castle Hill. The vision of CityAlight is to write songs with biblically rich lyrics and simple melodies for the Christian church to sing.

CityAlight - This is the Day

"This is the Day"Words and Music by Jonny Robinson, Rich Thompson and Tiarne Tranter© 2022 CityAlight MusicCCLI: 7195146This is the day that the Lord has mad...
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Hi Skate

I don't find these verses disturbing as they are quite true. When a person becomes a born-again Christian there is often rebellion and resentment from family members and friends. In many countries there is open hostility from the ruling government of the day and we hear about this in the news. People are often killed for their convictions in following Jesus.

Recklyn
 
Apropos to some of Skates posts above?

Maybe, maybe not, but being estranged from my church, I am following developments

 
Some Facts about Noah's Ark
The ark was a smallish boat but large back in the day. It measured 300 cubits in length, 50 cubits in width & 30 cubits in height (450 × 75 × 45 ft) in the old language or in metric (137 × 22.9 × 13.7 m).

The size of the Ark in comparison to an NRL football field
The Bible talks in cubits. A cubit is roughly the average length of a man's forearm. The Ark was 1.2 times the length & 1/4 the width of an NRL football field. The ark was small not even big enough to carry the food for the animals for 150 days not to mention there is no scientific evidence for a global flood. The challenges associated with housing all living animal types, & even plants, would have made building the ark impossible

Skate.
 
They are just stories
Have you ever been 5 cars back from the traffic lights & they turn green, it takes a while till you get to move off. Now imagine 2.5 million people leaving at once. There were 600,000 men, the same amount of women & a stack of children, not to mention the animals & carts to carry all the stolen goods. At this stage, there were no commandments, stealing was sanctioned. If only the Anzac parade was so well organised.

In the Book of Exodus
Moses leads the Israelites out of Egypt & into the Sinai desert, where they wandered around for 40 years. The number 40 is mentioned several times in the Bible, with Jesus wandering the desert for 40 days and 40 nights. I'm guessing 40 years are just symbolic. The adults were promised a land of milk & honey, yet not one of them got to enjoy it. Those who did had to kill, rape & burn everything. Even the poor animals were not spared. A prostitute & her parents were spared which was a nice touch.

Think about this
"How could approximately two & a half million people, with all their animals, collectively leave Egypt to wander in the Sinai Desert for forty years?" The logistics would have been a nightmare. I've been to the Sinai Desert, lots of sand & not many rocks from memory.

Water from a rock
We are told that they drew water from a rock & food miraculously appeared, but practically speaking, that's a whole lot of people with dependent animals in a barren space for a very long time who needed lots & lot of food & water. The amount of food & water for 40 years is incomprehensible.

Skate.
 
The more times a story gets told, the more times it is exaggerated, in biblical times not that many people could read or write.

So not only in Christianity, but in all religions, by the time the story became written "fact" every carrier of the "truth" would have added their embellishment to it IMO.
 
sptrawler said:
embellishment
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In conversation
"Jesus is so holy he "could have" walked on water.

Embellishment
Jesus is so holy he could walk on water

They made it fit
Yes, the narrative around Jesus in the New Testament was embellished to suit the narrative of the Old Testament.

Skate.
 
sptrawler said:
The more times a story gets told, the more times it is exaggerated
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You don't even need an exaggeration a "comma" can make all the difference
A comma can make a difference if you get a horse or not. Look at the example below.

# For sale
Horse, saddle & bridle (you get a horse)

# For sale
Horse saddle & bridle (sorry no comma - no horse)

Even the terminology has changed
The interpretation can have a huge bearing on what is being conveyed, sometimes the translation loses its meaning altogether.

Skate.
 
Yes I wonder how our times would be recorded if people couldn't read and write, but could soak up what was presented in the media.

I think it would be quite interesting, James Packers yacht would probably be recorded as one of the Royal Caribbean mega ships, Rupert Murdoch may be portrayed with horns, Bob Hawke would have a halo, Paul Keating would be a Merlin like person.
Also most of todays computer games, would be depicted in history, as real life events.
 
Glorifying & Praising God ~ 04 September 2022

All Sons & Daughters have been a part of the Integrity Music family since 2011 and released three full-length studio albums and one live album. They have received multiple Dove and Grammy nominations. After seven years of recording together, David Leonard and Leslie Jordan ended their season as a band.

All the Poor and Powerless--Sons & Daughters Lyrics

*I do not own this song or picture
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Glorifying & Praising God ~ 11 September 2022

Paul Robert Wilbur is an American Christian musician, worship leader, and guitarist, who primarily plays a messianic worship style of music.

Paul Wilbur - Adonai Elohai (Lyric Video)

Lyric video for "Adonai Elohai" by Paul Wilbur from the album 'Forever Good": http://smarturl.it/forevergoodSubscribe: http://smarturl.it/IntegrityMusicSubCo...
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The Eleventh Commandment
This is my favourite verse from the Bible. Follow this one message & the rest of the words in the Bible is just filler.

(John 13:34-35)
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you"

sptrawler said:
real life events
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Looking out for each other is a true blessing
If only we all looked out for each other & loved one another this world would be a much better place to live.

Even after being pawed away the little dog’s instinct was to save the little cat
The short video is a lesson to us all on how to treat one another. I loved the way the dog didn't give up & kept trying until the outcome was a roaring success.


Skate.
 
"God save the Queen"
"God Save The Queen" was sung at the memorial service for the late, Queen Elizabeth II in St Paul’s Cathedral on Friday 9 September 2022, & for the last time the following day as Charles III was proclaimed King in front of the Accession Council at St James’s Palace in London.

"God Save The King" sung for the first time in 70 years
Following the accession of Charles III "God Save the King" was sung in public for the first time in over 70 years, a centuries-old anthem has reverted to its ‘original’ version as the national & royal anthem of the United Kingdom & many Commonwealth nations.


Skate.
 
The spoken Introduction is worth its weight in gold
Louis Armstrong's "What A Wonderful World" gives hope for a better future, having much to look forward to if only we can find peace & love in this wonderful world.

The takeaway messages
"It ain't the world that's so bad, but what we're doing to it"
"Love is the secret"

Some questions answered by Louis Armstrong
"Some of you young folks been saying to me

# Hey Pops, what you mean
'What a wonderful world?

# How about all them wars all over the place?
You call them wonderful?

# And how about hunger and pollution?
That ain't so wonderful either."

Well, how about listening to old Pops for a minute.
Seems to me, it ain't the world that's so bad
but what we're doin' to it.

And all I'm saying
is see what a wonderful world
It would be if only we'd give it a chance.

Love baby, love
That's the secret, yeah.
If lots more of us loved each other
we'd solve lots more problems.
And then this world would be gasser.

# That's what's ol' Pops keeps saying."

(John 13:34-35)
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you"




"What A Wonderful World"
I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom, for me and you
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

I see skies of blue, and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, dark sacred night
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces, of people going by
I see friends shaking hands, sayin', "How do you do?"
They're really sayin', "I love you"

I hear babies cryin', I watch them grow
They'll learn much more, than I'll ever know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Yes, I think to myself
What a wonderful world
Oh yeah!

Skate.
 
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