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SUN - Suncorp Group

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The technical breakout mentioned above has held and just maybe the long term down trend for this puppy is over. But, I am sure with overall market sentiment it could go back into a tail spin. QLD is one sick State, and while they are so stupid to prevent uranium mining I put them in the 'deserve to go bankrupt' category. How much pain they will take in regard to housing collapses is a big question. And now we're coming up to cyclone seaon. SUN could be attacked on both fronts.

Having said that, I bought this because it just looked oversold, and on the chart.

Also, it does seem clear that this is on the raqdar for either private equity, another bank, or a break up that should release value for shareholders.

NAB downplays its 7pc stake in Suncorp
Richard Gluyas | September 08, 2009
Article from: The Australian

NATIONAL Australia Bank caused a flurry of excitement yesterday when it revealed a 7 per cent holding in perennial takeover target Suncorp.

But the torrent of speculation subsided when the bank confirmed it was a portfolio investment by its wealth arm, MLC.

A NAB spokesman said the notification had been triggered by a recent clarification from the Australian Securities and Investments Commission on lent securities.

"The notice details collateral and securities lending positions associated with business-as-usual funds management and securities lending activities which are part of our custodian services business," the spokesman said.

The news came as NAB unveiled a second bolt-on acquisition for its US-based Great Western Bank, announcing it would take control of 32 branches in Nebraska and Iowa.

The branches, acquired from TierOne Bank for $US39 million ($45.8m), come with $US800m in selected loans and $US1.1 billion in deposits.

In March, NAB chief executive Cameron Clyne flagged he would pursue small-scale opportunities for Great Western to build its presence in the US agricultural belt.

Later that month, NAB announced the $US20m acquisition of 20 First Community Bank branches in Colorado, along with $US444m in loans and $US477m in deposits.

The spokesman said yesterday that the latest deal was consistent with the strategy outlined by Mr Clyne, most recently in the bank's $2.75bn institutional and retail capital raising.

"The opportunity represents an addition to the existing Great Western franchise in Nebraska and Iowa, which are two the most productive agricultural regions in the US, ranked second and fifth in agricultural exports," he said.

"Great Western is only acquiring performing loans that fit our underwriting standards."

The acquisition, according to the spokesman, would absorb 4 basis points of tier one capital, with the assets more than fully funded by deposits. Mr Clyne's predecessor, John Stewart, paid about $900m for Great Western in November 2007.

It was a deal that attracted considerable controversy.

Even though it was spruiked as an agri-banking acquisition, where NAB claimed it had a competitive advantage, the US subprime lending crisis had started to unfold and NAB was seen as having overpaid. Also, there were no synergies with existing operations.

Mr Clyne, however, has started building on the base he inherited from Mr Stewart.

Great Western president and chief executive Jeff Erickson said that, with the TierOne deal, the bank's assets would expand to $US6.5bn, with 157 branches serving 89 communities through the agricultural belt.

"The addition of these branches is consistent with our strategic growth plans both in the Omaha metro area and in Nebraska," Mr Erickson said.

The transaction is subject to regulatory approvals and is expected to close late this year



http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,26040368-643,00.html
 

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Cannot find any posting about SUN.

I am start looking for undervalued stocks outside energy and resources to balance my extremely unbalanced portfolio. I found a few. One of them is SUN.

Mix of bank and insurance business with PE at 13. The cheapest amount both bank and insurance sector. Could be a good takeover target too in the increasingly buyout environment. Let's see...

Don't you like how the bloke that started the thread mentions a P/E of 13?

What's the P/E ratio now?:horse:
 
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Don't you like how the bloke that started the thread mentions a P/E of 13?

What's the P/E ratio now?:horse:
Huh? :confused:

That was 2 1/2 years ago.

Maybe it did have a pe of 13 back then.

Perhaps you could articulate your point with a little more clarrity.
 
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Huh? :confused:

That was 2 1/2 years ago.

Maybe it did have a pe of 13 back then.

Perhaps you could articulate your point with a little more clarrity.

There is only one 'r' in clarity. Don't worry I'm not Julia!

Oh, really!

Two and half years ago. Are you completely sure?

I could be wrong, but pineapples and retirees are still pineapples and retirees!

I think a P/E ratio of mid 20's is a true representation of this stocks potential for the next while.

BUT I will qualify that with DYOR!

I'm not an approved AISC financial planner, stockbroker, futures trader or economist!

Just a Gumby!



Suncorp stays solo in insurance battle
DANNY JOHN Brisbane Times
September 7, 2009

SUNCORP will go it alone rather than partnering either Woolworths or Coles as part of its plan to defend its 30 per cent of the insurance market against a much-mooted and large-scale entry by the two leading retailers.

The country's biggest personal insurer already provides "white label" motor, home and travel cover for big companies such as AMP, Westpac and BankWest but sees little benefit in giving a leg up to the shopping giants.

Coles is already trialling basic insurance products in a pilot project while Woolworths is expected to enter the market as part of a wider push into financial services that has so far included a credit card and a loyalty reward card points scheme.

Suncorp, whose brands include AAMI and GIO, and its biggest rival, Insurance Australia Group, owner of NRMA Insurance, are facing a new threat to their mass market business from Australia Post and Virgin following their decisions to offer car insurance.

Australia Post has teamed up with A&G Insurance to provide vehicle cover through its retail network of 4450 outlets and intends to launch a home and contents policy plus travel insurance over the coming year.

Virgin Insurance has also just launched an online service, primarily focused on Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, and hopes to leverage off the group's existing profile in Australia.

But the greater dangers are posed by Coles and Woolworths through a combination of their buying power, store networks, huge marketing budgets and loyal customer bases.

One way to combat those threats, as well as shoring up a source of revenue, would be for Suncorp to offer to provide the main parts of the retailers' insurance products: underwriting cover, management and payment of claims and back-office administration.

But while not ruling out the possibility, Bernadette Inglis, Suncorp's head of personal lines insurance division, told BusinessDay the group was a retailer in its chosen market as much as Woolworths and Coles were in theirs.

"We are not closed to these alternatives but we are a retailer and a consumer retailer at that, and see our business continuing as a direct relationship with our customers," she said.

While appreciating the threat posed by Australia Post and the two retailers, Ms Inglis said the domestic industry was different from overseas markets.

About 80 per cent of Australian customers dealt directly with their insurance companies rather than through brokers
 
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Well, of course it's very easy to double your P/E - just halve your earnings!

The major banks and top line insurers such as QBE are trading on P/E's in the 10-14 range. No takeover speculation there, of course!

;)
 
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I would have thought NAB would have a go.. NAB needs to do something to keep pace with the market share dominated by "the big 2" CBA and Westpac :D

:confused:
 
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Wow this stock is off and running at last...

Hooker corp ? I don't know if it can cause this kind of rally ?

:cool:
 
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I posted this one in the potential breakout thread a week ago:

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5351&page=76

Looks like it has shot through a bit today. We'll see if some support can be established around $8.50

Was thinking the other day that with the annual dividend looking to be around 40 cents for the foreseeable future...its hard to see the SP staying over 9 or 10 dollars, unless the takeover speculation takes off.
 
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Chart looks interesting to me at the moment. Downtrend seems to have been halted, now going sideways, found some support, and coming up to some significant resistance again. If she gets through there may be the start of an upward more. :2twocents
This has been handy since breaking up from that sideways movement. :)

Just been moving with the market I suppose but maybe the breakup and takeover talk has given it some support.

Nice upward trend line here, but that's unsustainable for ever of course, must go through some more significant consolidation at some point. Perhaps when the overall market decides to take a decent rest...
 

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This has been handy since breaking up from that sideways movement. :)

Just been moving with the market I suppose but maybe the breakup and takeover talk has given it some support.

Nice upward trend line here, but that's unsustainable for ever of course, must go through some more significant consolidation at some point. Perhaps when the overall market decides to take a decent rest...

See that nice candle wick at $7.25 ish? That's me being stopped out :banghead:

Looking for some retracement to get back in. Words on the street is that ANZ is eyeing them. Personally can't see that in the immediate future given ACCC concerns and the fact that ANZ need some time sorting out ING first.
 
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Up over $9 today and holding $9.00 on closing !!

There certainly must be optimism built into the share price, as the economy improves further and IF Suncorp can improve profits, we can expect a bonus cash dividend payment in accordance with a previously released statement by John Story earlier this year :)

Then there is the takeover speculation to consider, so a good upward trending stock if you ask me :p

ANZ and/or NAB have to grab more market share somehow ;)
 
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Up over $9 today and holding $9.00 on closing !!

There certainly must be optimism built into the share price, as the economy improves further and IF Suncorp can improve profits, we can expect a bonus cash dividend payment in accordance with a previously released statement by John Story earlier this year :)

Then there is the takeover speculation to consider, so a good upward trending stock if you ask me :p

ANZ and/or NAB have to grab more market share somehow ;)

Its in an interesting channel at present. I wouldn't be surprised for it to jump twice the depth of the present channel when the takeover bid comes.

I've been accumulating.

gg
 

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Interesting watching SUN this week, showing a bit of strength compared to the other banks.

The Chartist on Jan 11 put a target of $10.50 from a technical perspective if it surges through $9.00. While I wouldn't say a "surge" has occurred, a breakout of the symmetrical triangle presented here is promising. Hopefully we can see some support around the $9.00 mark after today's fall with the rest of the market.
 

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Hello all
This one may have some exposure to a new cyclone forming of the east coast of Queensland

"HIGH SEAS WEATHER WARNING FOR METAREA 10 ISSUED BY THE AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF
METEOROLOGY, BRISBANE 1851 UTC 14 March 2010

HURRICANE FORCE WIND WARNING FOR NORTH EASTERN AREA

SITUATION
At 1800 UTC Severe Tropical Cyclone Ului was centred within 20 nautical miles of
latitude thirteen decimal zero south [13.0S]
longitude one hundred and sixty decimal zero east [160.0E]
Recent movement : west at 5 knots
Maximum winds : 105 knots
Central pressure: 935 hPa
AREA AFFECTED
Within 120 nautical miles of the centre."

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDQ20008.txt

:cool:
 
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When's the takeover bid coming?
Its at an appealing price currently and the recent weather activity may cause further southward movement.

People's thoughts....
 
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When's the takeover bid coming?
Its at an appealing price currently and the recent weather activity may cause further southward movement.

People's thoughts....

Who would be interested and why?

All the signals from the authorities are that the big banks are big enough (too big?) as it is and that the takeovers of St George and BankWest were probably only possible because of the GFC. Would any of the regionals be able or willing? Personally, I doubt it.

SUN's insurance business might appeal, at a price, but that would leave a small stand-alone bank operation. That's possible, I guess.
 
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I guess QBE and BOQ could be interested in carving up SUN. I'm not sure if their business models fit though.
 
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SUN has shown great growth since March of last year. I sold in January and thought SUN would have dropped further. It has proven very resilient. I suspect it would take a major downturn to further damage the SP. And I may be totally wrong.
 
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