Julia
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Legalise Euthanasia. Legalise Suicide. Life is getting pretty cheap. I wonder where all this will end.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7977017.stm
I think the only reason this is not legallised is that it will be abused, not sure how to get round that but it should be possible.
Just had a thought on "abuse" bit.
Why do they allow us to drive, knowing that we can abuse traffic rules and regulations and sometimes kill ourselves and others?
MRC, in Australia it's the assistance that's the crime. Suicide is legal, but helping someone to end their life can in some States result in life imprisonment.Julia,
Interesting to note: George Soros is actually an advocate of this, and I believe helped put his mother to sleep.
Keep the fight up!
Peter, thank you for posting that link.Legalise Euthanasia. Legalise Suicide. Life is getting pretty cheap. I wonder where all this will end.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7977017.stm
Thats what traffic cops are for I suppose.
Peter, thank you for posting that link.
Concern about voluntary euthanasia (or assisted suicide) for people with a psychiatric illness is valid, but I'd say that depended on the nature of the psychiatric disorder. This is not the venue for discussing that.
I appreciate that your religious views would determine that you would be against any form of assisted suicide.
What I don't understand about people with these views is why you as a group (not getting at you as an individual) are so determined that other people should not have the right to similarly determine their own view?
No one is asking those who are against voluntary euthanasia to participate in it. I'm more than happy for my tax dollars to support you in a nursing home until you die at a time of your God's choosing.
But why do you want to deprive those of us who do not want to be in such a situation, the right to determine our own time of death, bearing in mind that we do not share your belief that your God has the sole right to decide when we die?
Almost any human activity can be extrapolated to it's extreme i.e. riding a bike can be life threatening to both the rider and those nearby, taking vitamins can be dangerous and subject to abuse, but using that type of argument to push your own values barrow to argue against euthanasia is not a strong position of logic in my view.
Well, that's where you're quite wrong. Repeated surveys have shown that more than 80% of the Australian population want voluntary euthanasia."What I don't understand about people with these views is why you as a group (not getting at you as an individual) are so determined that other people should not have the right to similarly determine their own view?"
Where did that come from? You have your view, I've got mine. I'm guessing we would disagree on most topics but theoretically Australia is a democracy so that shouldn't be a problem.
If the law has the necessary safeguards it will take us nowhere other than simply allowing perfectly rational individuals to choose the time of their own death. Nothing more. This is a cliche which is perpetually trotted out and means diddely squat.The point I'm trying to make about euthanasia is that we need to think about where these decisions could possibly take us, and I don't like some (possibly all) of the possibilities.
Nonsense. No single doctor is ever going to make this decision. The N.T. legislation had four doctors being required to agree that the ending of the person's life was a completely rational decision.The doctor-patient relationship can be weakened.
One of the things I most dislike about you people who are anti the right to choose is your insistent use of emotive terminology. e.g. Killing.When the medical profession becomes involved in the killing, the delicate trust relationship between patient and doctor is undermined.
You could apply this sort of emotive reasoning (?) oxymoron? to anything at all, as Dalek has pointed out. Silly, really.Patients might become more fearful of doctors and health care workers, and doctors and health care workers could become desensitised. The taking of a human life is just another procedure.
Ah, you are at least partially correct here. Some lives are definitely not worth living when the patient has no control over bodily functions, cannot do anything for themselves, endures each day and night in intolerable pain despite the best palliative care available. Who are you to say that people should have to endure this ?Legal euthanasia sends out the message that "some lives are not worth living." To solve the problems of the suffering by killing them does not help the next suffering person, it sends signals of despair and helplessness.
How do you know? Please provide some link to such stats.Currently very few people request euthenasia, and many then change their mind
If such a perversion of thinking were to occur, it would be sorted out amongst the psychiatric assessment.. But once legalised, it may well seem to be an option to many people, simply because it is legal. Indeed, people may feel they have a duty to be killed.
Nonsense. Again, the legislation and safeguards would deal with this.There are not rights without corresponding duties. If society goes down the path of legalised euthanasia, this right to die will lead to its corollary, the duty to kill.
Well, if someone were to resuscitate me when my Advance Health Directive specifically says I do not want this to happen, I would indeed be sueingOnce a society has said that its citizens have the right to die, it will be forced to provide the means to do so. Once legalised, it is possible that doctors may one day face lawsuits if they violate someone's rights by not killing them.
Excellent post Julia. You certainly demolished petrh's nonsensensical arguments.
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