Storm Financial Group

[-Bevo-]

First cab off the rank Bank of Queensland. :bigun2:

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2009/04/24/50431_hpnews.html

 

[chrisgee]

"Mr gg" (I like that) you are very hard and uncaring to "Mr chrisgee" but unfortunately your words however harsh reflect the reality. I have read a few posts from chrisgee I'm unclear where chris is an ex-client or whether it's family or friends who are involved, it doesn't matter, you've got to take it on the chin and "man up" or "woman up".

First rule, admit you farked up, rule two, get moving, rule three, dig yourself out, rule four, seek a remedy that you accept, rule five don't repeat the mistake, rule six, you don't owe an explanation to anybody except yourself.

I can't tolerate, whingers, victims, the "why me" mentality. Pick up the pieces, that's if you can find any and get moving.
If it is proven that anybody has caused you any harm, if you chose, seek to be compensated, if not get moving.
I've met some master scammers both on shore and off shore, I've helped some who have lost out and I have attempted to get them back on track. (I wish there where more like the late Ed Pankau in this world...he's greatly missed)

Whether people triumph or fold because of this episode is entirely up to them. Chris if you read this, I don't want to hear a whinge or a rant from you again. I endorse the wisdom of gg, consider his counsel.

its easy for you and mr gg to say that aferall youse are worth millions. my friends and family have been done over by these people and are facing a very scary and bleak future. i dont know what will be happeng with the leagal action but i dont think there will be much left after legal fees etc. i read the links above even me can work out that $20 mill isnt much insurance when you split it among all the victims. thats if the insrance will pay anything. you and mr gg sound like those smug rich people that sit back and shovel out advice that so is easy but i repeat you dont know what we are going thru. all the victims need the banks to right off the loans. that would be a start. remember all the victims have families and they all know which banks and people havew scammed them and they wont be afraid to tell others which banks and people scammed them. word of mouth travels far in the bush people will only take thier money to those who they trust and havent scammed friends or family and who the hell is ed pankaw ?

 

[Cereberus]

I doubt if the webpage will play out as you have described darkside.

When you follow the lineage of this website it goes all the way back to ozdaq, a failed imitation of the NASDAQ by Manny.

Oh I do love Jazz.

Manny oh my Mannny where are yoooooooooooooou

If Manny can communicate with gg why doesn't he communicate with his investors?



gg

I am new to this forum, I was directed here by an interested friend who occasionally uses this site.

Disclosure: I am close to Storm, many ex-Storm clients, many ex-Storm staff, "Manny" as well as close to the Banks in question and the Banking staff in relation to all this mess. Or should I say soon to be ex-Banking staff in relation to this mess.

Personal warning to the genuinely impartial: It is obvious to me when reading this forum who is posting from the "Storm" side and the "Banking" side as well as the regular posts from the "Cassimatis haters" based in Townsville. There is convenient misinformation being placed here, by all sides, so to the real impartial readers and ex-Storm clients - please be extremely mindful who you think is impartial here and their motives. Some firsthand "insights" into Storm, the Banks, and the Cassimatis’ are very misleading and/or just plain false.

Beyond this, I will say no more but I do want to genuinely contribute to this thread (and others) and warn those who are reading and contributing that some posts and posters here have hidden, undisclosed agendas. Kudos to those who have fully disclosed if involved, even if many fully disclosed posters in the mess are still misleading, in my opinion.

Can I ask gg, what do you mean by "If Manny can communicate with gg why doesn't he communicate with his investors?"

Are you saying that you personally know Manny? That you communicate with him regularly? To that end, if so, are we to believe that your comments on this forum in relation to Manny are unbiased - either positively or negatively? It seems you position in this forum is one of the "wise one", offering counsel to ex-clients and other posters. Offering educated opinions and a neutral stance.

In contrast, you began this thread initially by asking if anyone knew about these guys in Townsvile, that you had some friends who were Storm clients etc. Now it seems you claim to know about “them” and speak to them personally anyway...

As Australia's most famous dancing, red head, jail bird and political failure once said: "Please explain".

Oh and just a quick mention, gg, you might be well in breach of point 4 in the Forum Code of Conduct. Some of your posts, in my opinion, have stepped well over this line when replying to very fearful and burnt ex-Storm investors. Posts from how to deal with their debts, the banks, where to place their remaining equity and cash etc:

4. Please do not offer or ask for financial advice on Aussie Stock Forums. It is illegal for anyone other than a licensed financial advisor to provide financial advice. Aussie Stock Forums is intended soley for the open discussion of stockmarket related topics.

Some others here, perhaps you might want to re-read the below point in Aussie Storm Forums Terms and Conditions:

• 
  [*]You agree not to use this website to post anything which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, misleading, deceptive, inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
  

Just a reminder for some, but I have found reading the vast majority of posts from the majority of posters quite informative and from my perspective, well balanced.

 

[SJG1974]

Some firsthand "insights" into Storm, the Banks, and the Cassimatis’ are very misleading and/or just plain false.

Cereberus,

As you seem to know so much due to your close relationship with key parties in this mess, perhaps you could point out some of the misleading and false information that has been provided on this forum and provide the real story?

BTW, do you have any idea when "Manny" will reopen his website? I asked him a question a while back, but he didn't respond. Perhaps he is getting around to answering it?

 

[Cereberus]

Cereberus,

As you seem to know so much due to your close relationship with key parties in this mess, perhaps you could point out some of the misleading and false information that has been provided on this forum and provide the real story?

BTW, do you have any idea when "Manny" will reopen his website? I asked him a question a while back, but he didn't respond. Perhaps he is getting around to answering it?

Hi SJG1974,

A small addition to my original disclosure for clarity.

I should say I am/was close to all above mentioned parties over the past many years, but due to events in recent months I have not been in regular communication with any of the above parties for one reason or another depending on the party. Therefore, I am not a conduit to getting answers on current questions.

So to answer your second question in relation to the Cassimatis website, I do not know if or when the website will be reopened. If I had to guess, I would think that it would not be reopened anytime soon.

In relation to your very first query, my primary intent was firstly to simply warn those innocent readers and contributors of the potential dangers when accepting advice or opinions provided here as neutral and “helpful”. As we know, the internet, due to its seeming anonymity, is a haven for this sort of behaviour but it seemed exceptional when reading this thread.

As to your first query SJG1974, well my second priority was to do just as you suggest over the next few weeks. Stay tuned, I think you will be interested.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Below is my answer to Cerebrus.

This guy is a bullying Storm insider.

Let us hope he keeps on posting and that this reply will not see him off.

gg

I am new to this forum, I was directed here by an interested friend who occasionally uses this site.

Thanks mate, were hoping to flush you out, well done you are here and hopefully you will continue to attribute, btw, Blind Freddie would be not unaware of this thread, google storm financial and asf comes up in the top three regularly

Disclosure: I am close to Storm, many ex-Storm clients, many ex-Storm staff, "Manny" as well as close to the Banks in question and the Banking staff in relation to all this mess. Or should I say soon to be ex-Banking staff in relation to this mess.

You are who you are mate, at least you are coming clean.

Personal warning to the genuinely impartial: It is obvious to me when reading this forum who is posting from the "Storm" side and the "Banking" side as well as the regular posts from the "Cassimatis haters" based in Townsville. There is convenient misinformation being placed here, by all sides, so to the real impartial readers and ex-Storm clients - please be extremely mindful who you think is impartial here and their motives. Some firsthand "insights" into Storm, the Banks, and the Cassimatis’ are very misleading and/or just plain false.

Proof mate , proof, this is too serious to bandy about and slur.

gg

Beyond this, I will say no more but I do want to genuinely contribute to this thread (and others) and warn those who are reading and contributing that some posts and posters here have hidden, undisclosed agendas. Kudos to those who have fully disclosed if involved, even if many fully disclosed posters in the mess are still misleading, in my opinion.

It is oft that cowards threaten, are you a coward. Out yourself Manny, sorry Cerebrus.

Can I ask gg, what do you mean by "If Manny can communicate with gg why doesn't he communicate with his investors?"

Are you saying that you personally know Manny? That you communicate with him regularly? To that end, if so, are we to believe that your comments on this forum in relation to Manny are unbiased - either positively or negatively? It seems you position in this forum is one of the "wise one", offering counsel to ex-clients and other posters. Offering educated opinions and a neutral stance.

Manny regularly contacts me via email.

One of my mates works for him and feeds me inside information.


In contrast, you began this thread initially by asking if anyone knew about these guys in Townsvile, that you had some friends who were Storm clients etc. Now it seems you claim to know about “them” and speak to them personally anyway...

As Australia's most famous dancing, red head, jail bird and political failure once said: "Please explain".

Nothing to explain mate, it is as it happened, I had no idea Storm were going down the gurgler when I first posted.

Oh and just a quick mention, gg, you might be well in breach of point 4 in the Forum Code of Conduct. Some of your posts, in my opinion, have stepped well over this line when replying to very fearful and burnt ex-Storm investors. Posts from how to deal with their debts, the banks, where to place their remaining equity and cash etc:

4. Please do not offer or ask for financial advice on Aussie Stock Forums. It is illegal for anyone other than a licensed financial advisor to provide financial advice. Aussie Stock Forums is intended soley for the open discussion of stockmarket related topics.

That is not for me to decide. gg

Some others here, perhaps you might want to re-read the below point in Aussie Storm Forums Terms and Conditions:

• 
  [*]You agree not to use this website to post anything which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, misleading, deceptive, inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.
  

Again I am just gg

Just a reminder for some, but I have found reading the vast majority of posts from the majority of posters quite informative and from my perspective, well balanced.

Google peon mate.

gg

Hi SJG1974,

A small addition to my original disclosure for clarity.

I should say I am/was close to all above mentioned parties over the past many years, but due to events in recent months I have not been in regular communication with any of the above parties for one reason or another depending on the party. Therefore, I am not a conduit to getting answers on current questions.

Did your lawyer write this, you are a doppleganger.

So to answer your second question in relation to the Cassimatis website, I do not know if or when the website will be reopened. If I had to guess, I would think that it would not be reopened anytime soon.

[I]Do tell !!

In relation to your very first query, my primary intent was firstly to simply warn those innocent readers and contributors of the potential dangers when accepting advice or opinions provided here as neutral and “helpful”. As we know, the internet, due to its seeming anonymity, is a haven for this sort of behaviour but it seemed exceptional when reading this thread.

Manny, sorry Cerebrus, get real.

As to your first query SJG1974, well my second priority was to do just as you suggest over the next few weeks. Stay tuned, I think you will be interested.

Stay tuned, you will be very interested

gg

 

[darkside]

its easy for you and mr gg to say that aferall youse are worth millions. my friends and family have been done over by these people and are facing a very scary and bleak future. i dont know what will be happeng with the leagal action but i dont think there will be much left after legal fees etc. i read the links above even me can work out that $20 mill isnt much insurance when you split it among all the victims. thats if the insrance will pay anything. you and mr gg sound like those smug rich people that sit back and shovel out advice that so is easy but i repeat you dont know what we are going thru. all the victims need the banks to right off the loans. that would be a start. remember all the victims have families and they all know which banks and people havew scammed them and they wont be afraid to tell others which banks and people scammed them. word of mouth travels far in the bush people will only take thier money to those who they trust and havent scammed friends or family and who the hell is ed pankaw ?

I too have lost a few dollars over the last couple of years and would love nothing more than the bank writing off my loan so i can have another throw at the stumps, its only fair if others can get the bank to give them this little bit of lattitude then i should be able to roll the dice again as well, or maybe there is someone i can sue for my loss, i know it was my own fault but that doesn't seem to matter these days.

 

[Judd]

I too have lost a few dollars over the last couple of years and would love nothing more than the bank writing off my loan so i can have another throw at the stumps, its only fair if others can get the bank to give them this little bit of lattitude then i should be able to roll the dice again as well, or maybe there is someone i can sue for my loss, i know it was my own fault but that doesn't seem to matter these days.

Yeah this does seem to be a bit of a problem. It is also a problem that some, possibly including chrisgee, may not really understand what "right [sic] off" actually means as opposed to "waive." Whether they will bother to at least make an effort to learn is a moot question.

 

[bunyip]

its easy for you and mr gg to say that aferall youse are worth millions. my friends and family have been done over by these people and are facing a very scary and bleak future. i dont know what will be happeng with the leagal action but i dont think there will be much left after legal fees etc. i read the links above even me can work out that $20 mill isnt much insurance when you split it among all the victims. thats if the insrance will pay anything. you and mr gg sound like those smug rich people that sit back and shovel out advice that so is easy but i repeat you dont know what we are going thru. all the victims need the banks to right off the loans. that would be a start. remember all the victims have families and they all know which banks and people havew scammed them and they wont be afraid to tell others which banks and people scammed them. word of mouth travels far in the bush people will only take thier money to those who they trust and havent scammed friends or family and who the hell is ed pankaw ?

Chris mate, get real and stop being so bloody silly! Of course the bank shouldn't have to write off your loans!
People are always getting themselves into financial strife by making poor investment decisions. Should the banks write off the loans of everyone who gets caught with a bad investment? Be realistic!
The decision to take on big loans to gear yourself to dangerous levels was yours. Obviously there were many of you who had little understanding of the risk you were taking, but that doesn't absolve you of responsibility for the decisions you took.

Look - I'm not unsympathetic to your problems. I can see you're in a terrible situation and I feel genuinely sorry for you.
But the sooner you face up to the fact that you are just as responsible as everyone you're blaming for your problems, the sooner you'll put your troubles behind you and start rebuilding your life.

 

[Mash]

GG .... I will say it again... you sit in your ivory tower throwing stones...you are one of those "I know it all" types... guess what... you don't.... your condescending tone makes me gag.... ... those of us who actually know what went on with the banks and their predatory behaviour implore they will get what is coming to them.... you sound like you are a frustrated playwright...go and write about the fantasy world you live in.... out here in the real world we will be assisting those who are faultering under the bully boy tactics of the banks and those of us who still have a fire in the belly will fight on, if for nothing else but to help those who feel defeated by the likes of you who offer nothing but negativity.....
Yes you will bleat with the "this is not a support network".... and I don't care what you think... The storm survivors have rallied.... we are united... and the banks will feel our wrath.... Storm is gone... may EC & JC be brought to justice... in the mean time we will target those who aided and abetted the cassimatis juggernaut..

 

[pilots]

its easy for you and mr gg to say that aferall youse are worth millions. my friends and family have been done over by these people and are facing a very scary and bleak future. i dont know what will be happeng with the leagal action but i dont think there will be much left after legal fees etc. i read the links above even me can work out that $20 mill isnt much insurance when you split it among all the victims. thats if the insrance will pay anything. you and mr gg sound like those smug rich people that sit back and shovel out advice that so is easy but i repeat you dont know what we are going thru. all the victims need the banks to right off the loans. that would be a start. remember all the victims have families and they all know which banks and people havew scammed them and they wont be afraid to tell others which banks and people scammed them. word of mouth travels far in the bush people will only take thier money to those who they trust and havent scammed friends or family and who the hell is ed pankaw ?

Mate, tell me this, why did you get involved with this lot in the first place, was it because they offed more than any all the others did. Mate when it is to good to be true, you know the rest.

 

[darkside]

Cereberus,

As you seem to know so much due to your close relationship with key parties in this mess, perhaps you could point out some of the misleading and false information that has been provided on this forum and provide the real story?

BTW, do you have any idea when "Manny" will reopen his website? I asked him a question a while back, but he didn't respond. Perhaps he is getting around to answering it?

Like SJG1974, the fact the website is down was doing my head in, if anyone knows anything about HTML Code and would like to know who made the last post on their website ,and who now is contributing to it, not that i promote "hacking" in any way and this advice should only be used for good instead of evil and for novelty value only: Go to the "WebPage" right click on the page, left click "view source" scroll to the bottom, the href="http://,
explains the origin of the page , Mr Google will fill in the blanks.
And when you get to the originators page, the "popup" to ask if you want to install the addon , click no, a lot of "nasties" lurk in web pages.

 

[pilots]

GG .... I will say it again... you sit in your ivory tower throwing stones...you are one of those "I know it all" types... guess what... you don't.... your condescending tone makes me gag.... ... those of us who actually know what went on with the banks and their predatory behaviour implore they will get what is coming to them.... you sound like you are a frustrated playwright...go and write about the fantasy world you live in.... out here in the real world we will be assisting those who are faultering under the bully boy tactics of the banks and those of us who still have a fire in the belly will fight on, if for nothing else but to help those who feel defeated by the likes of you who offer nothing but negativity.....
Yes you will bleat with the "this is not a support network".... and I don't care what you think... The storm survivors have rallied.... we are united... and the banks will feel our wrath.... Storm is gone... may EC & JC be brought to justice... in the mean time we will target those who aided and abetted the cassimatis juggernaut..

You are going to bring the banks to justice, Mate, you MUST be on DRUGS.
You have been screwed by sales people, get over it.
If for one minute you think you will win against the banks, bend over you are going to get screwed again.

 

[Solly]

Geewiz, I've just been for a cruise around the sound getting some r&r and I can't believe how quickly things change on this thread. I logged on to check my schedule and thought I'd check ASF to see what's up.

Welcome Cereberus ( Isn't Cereberus in Greek mythology the three headed watchdog of the land of the already dead ?...Anyway I suppose that's not relevant here). It's great to have someone so well connected to the Cassimatis' I'm also eager to get a truthful unbiased view of the events. My initial contact with the whole storm saga was a couple who have lost everything and are now trying to buy their house back from the bank.

I believe I endeavour to keep an unbiased open mind about the whole event. Next time you speak with the principals can you ask why their research area and software couldn't pick up the downward market movement and execute appropriate actions in a timely manner to protect the clients and save them from harm.

Also Chrisgee if you are still alive, regarding your question about who is Ed Pankau, have a look at this link.

http://www.pimall.com/nais/nl/n.pankau.html

I feel privileged to have known Ed, he gave a whole new meaning to the word persistence and was a true professional in tracking fraudsters, scammers and is a glowing example of seeking the truth and protecting the rights of the less fortunate.

 

[Gerkin]

GG .... I will say it again... you sit in your ivory tower throwing stones...you are one of those "I know it all" types... guess what... you don't.... your condescending tone makes me gag.... ... those of us who actually know what went on with the banks and their predatory behaviour implore they will get what is coming to them.... you sound like you are a frustrated playwright...go and write about the fantasy world you live in.... out here in the real world we will be assisting those who are faultering under the bully boy tactics of the banks and those of us who still have a fire in the belly will fight on, if for nothing else but to help those who feel defeated by the likes of you who offer nothing but negativity.....
Yes you will bleat with the "this is not a support network".... and I don't care what you think... The storm survivors have rallied.... we are united... and the banks will feel our wrath.... Storm is gone... may EC & JC be brought to justice... in the mean time we will target those who aided and abetted the cassimatis juggernaut..

In the real world??
Clients who invested with Storm were never in the real world. All they could care about was their promised income of 100K per annum?? Let me ask you this? How many clients were told there investments could earn them over 100K a year? Plenty, Why 10% over 1 million invested is 100K easy. Now did these average people ever bring in 100K from 1 salary in the wrok force? maybe but with their asset position which they went to Storm with probably suggests not? How can you believe an investment return of over 100K a year (without risk) when you never earnt that in a year?? Come on this is just greed, even though half of you wont admit it.

Just have a look at the Storm Offices?? Raise any alarm bells. The Yank Investment Banks in Collins St Melbourne dont even go that far with their oppulence.

Now half of you posters are blaming the advice/investment industry before looking at your own mistakes. I know of reputable planners who were ditched in favour of Storm. Client were getting 25K tax free allocated pension + age pension + health card. But all this got cancelled when they went in search of the 100K + investment return. Why does a person need that income??

 

[Solly]

In the real world??
Clients who invested with Storm were never in the real world. All they could care about was their promised income of 100K per annum?? Let me ask you this? How many clients were told there investments could earn them over 100K a year? Plenty, Why 10% over 1 million invested is 100K easy. Now did these average people ever bring in 100K from 1 salary in the wrok force? maybe but with their asset position which they went to Storm with probably suggests not? How can you believe an investment return of over 100K a year (without risk) when you never earnt that in a year?? Come on this is just greed, even though half of you wont admit it.

Just have a look at the Storm Offices?? Raise any alarm bells. The Yank Investment Banks in Collins St Melbourne dont even go that far with their oppulence.

Now half of you posters are blaming the advice/investment industry before looking at your own mistakes. I know of reputable planners who were ditched in favour of Storm. Client were getting 25K tax free allocated pension + age pension + health card. But all this got cancelled when they went in search of the 100K + investment return. Why does a person need that income??

Have a look at this article from the Townsville Bulletin;

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2009/04/22/49841_newsphoto.html

There's a link to pics that shows the fit out of the Townsville HQ.

 

[pilots]

Wow, just had a look at the photos of inside the office, any one, who could not see that this was a scam, after a visit to that office deserve to be taken to the cleaners. Did any of you stop and think WHO'S paying for this????
NO!!!! you was all thinking of the 100k a year you was promised

WHEN ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...............
The same people will get screwed again, when they set up a fighting fund to take on the banks and storm

 

[Solly]

GG .... I will say it again... you sit in your ivory tower throwing stones...you are one of those "I know it all" types... guess what... you don't.... your condescending tone makes me gag.... ... those of us who actually know what went on with the banks and their predatory behaviour implore they will get what is coming to them.... you sound like you are a frustrated playwright...go and write about the fantasy world you live in.... out here in the real world we will be assisting those who are faultering under the bully boy tactics of the banks and those of us who still have a fire in the belly will fight on, if for nothing else but to help those who feel defeated by the likes of you who offer nothing but negativity.....
Yes you will bleat with the "this is not a support network".... and I don't care what you think... The storm survivors have rallied.... we are united... and the banks will feel our wrath.... Storm is gone... may EC & JC be brought to justice... in the mean time we will target those who aided and abetted the cassimatis juggernaut..

Mash I can understand your anger and frustration, yesterday at lunch I was talking with an ex-storm client. It's very distressing to hear their tale of hardship and angst, they were looking for a magic wand to fix things and to make it all go away. They want their old life back, the life of 'unworry', certainty and freedom to do what they want.

The harsh reality it appears is that their previous life style was built on faulty foundations and could never last. It was hard for me to see tears swelling up in their eyes as they told me that they are near the end of their tether and couldn't see them lasting too much longer in their current circumstances. Their home of almost 30 years is probably about to go. They are working frantically to keep the repayments up on a property they owned outright just a few years ago. I know that this situation is common amongst many ex-clients, some are in a far worse predicament.

Regarding gg, it appears to me that gg is a very tough businessman, probably a firm but fair negotiator and is very streetwise. I don't agree with all of his views but his approach of calling "a spade a spade" and holding very firm views are not unusual traits in successful people. I suppose that's just gg. If he gets under your skin, it's you that lets that happen. I believe that his deliberate conformational manner, in some cases has the beneficial affect of spurring people into action and challenging their views or position. I will be watching with interest any future interactions between "Cereberus" and gg.

I'm pleased to see that the Storm survivors are united and rallying against the banks, but as for bringing people to justice, no one has been charged with anything at this stage and all parties to this saga are innocent of any wrong doing at this point. I believe that EC & JC are probably in disbelief that the company is gone and are probably deeply suffering as well but just in a different way to you. I don't believe that they set up the company, themselves and their clients to fail. Now that we have government investigators involved, legal proceedings underway, we really will need to just sit back and watch the whole saga play out. I enjoy watching and reading the commentaries, to me it's the tragedy of the wreck that's left behind that is very unpleasant especially now that I see it first hand.

 

[Solly]

Wow, just had a look at the photos of inside the office, any one, who could not see that this was a scam, after a visit to that office deserve to be taken to the cleaners. Did any of you stop and think WHO'S paying for this????
NO!!!! you was all thinking of the 100k a year you was promised

WHEN ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...............
The same people will get screwed again, when they set up a fighting fund to take on the banks and storm

pilots where I come from that type of fit out wouldn't be over the top, it's just the style and taste that's not agreeable with me. I'm often in large corporates and some of these are often very sparse but expensive but to me are more tasteful fit outs. But I do like the polished timber floors, but then everybody is different.

 

[Pindibog]

You are putting all the clients into one basket!!!! Many FP were bought by Storm and clients followed. Mine had an old Queenslander home as an office. Nothing flash. When I went to TNS the office was ordinary. Never went to the new one. Brisbane office was in fitting with the building and decor of other floors. It appears in the last 4yrs Storm became more agressive. I went for 4 to 5yrs without any steps then whammo I was getting further step notifications regularly. Some I took, some I did not. Myself like many others did not draw a wage and the portfolio was a long term investment. So stop having such tunnel vision and what do you personally gain by telling people they deserve to be taken to the cleaners. Nasty!!!

Chrisgee don't waste your breath when posters attack the vunerable. Rise above it and don't bother reading the thread if it upsets you. They have an opinion worthless or not. Don't give it value by responding.

Wow, just had a look at the photos of inside the office, any one, who could not see that this was a scam, after a visit to that office deserve to be taken to the cleaners. Did any of you stop and think WHO'S paying for this????
NO!!!! you was all thinking of the 100k a year you was promised

WHEN ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...............
The same people will get screwed again, when they set up a fighting fund to take on the banks and storm