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Well, it seems that women aren't too keen on the combat roles.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-25/ban-lifted-but-few-women-apply-for-combat-roles/4650772

Which seems to indicate that the "women in combat" campaign was a feminist push for superficial "equality" rather than actual suitability for the role.
You wouldn't expect the 8000 existing women in defence just to abandon their established career paths in their current jobs and head over to the infantry where they would start from scratch, nor would you expect a sudden rush of female recruits wanting to be the first to trail blaze a path.

These things take time, however at my reserve unit where I currently serve, we have a female, she is a police officer in civilian life and is proving a pretty solid member of our team.
 
Tiime to start having a critical view of stats, plenty of sites can give you an apple for apple comparison, current rate of unemployment >10% if comparing with figures from post war/great depression
even without going to that period:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ment-different-stories-from-the-jobs-numbers/
and for OZ
http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll/unemployment/underemployment-estimates
So you think adding women to the labour market creates unemployment???

Please explain how that works,

If anything is putting pressure on employment levels it's mechanisation, because all things being equal, adding more available labour increase the number of products and services that can be produced, and raises living standards.
 
all things being equal, adding more available labour increase the number of products and services that can be produced, and raises living standards.
Agreed assuming all things are indeed equal.

Problem is there's a lot of "leakage" of that productive opportunity these days with the production taking place offshore and, unfairly to Australian business, generally in low wage countries.
 
If anything is putting pressure on employment levels it's mechanisation, because all things being equal, adding more available labour increase the number of products and services that can be produced, and raises living standards.
No doubt about mecanisation [and now computer power/AI], but this is also the oft quoted rhetoric used by the pro immigration camp in Europe with a good 40y of matching experience and abysmal "success"; As for raising living standards, tell that to any people struggling to pay a mortgage on inflated house price, yet GDP is booming indeed..
There are figures, there is always a twist and there is the real world.
Women do not have the choice to go to work, they have to now due to economic constraints which were not there in the 1950's, feel free to see that as a plus and look how happy the ladies commuters are satisfying their newly found freedom of slaving away for the next corporation/department.
Anyway, always a pleasure to push the contrarian buttons with you VC :)
 
So you think adding women to the labour market creates unemployment???
it does when there are no jobs around, and so create a deflation/lowering for all, save as immigration.
When needed aka war effort, more contributors are a benefits, when unneeded, the less the better
 
More thoughts about Social engineering. Prime consideration is creating a particular view of the world that conforms to certain expectations.
The latest blockbuster Dunkirk offers an example of social engineering which many people would not appreciate until it's pointed out.

Why the lack of Indian and African faces in Dunkirk matters
Sunny Singh
The blockbuster purports to be a historical portrayal, but in fact it’s a whitewash. And these decisions help corrode societal attitudes

• Sunny Singh is a British-based writer. Her latest novel is Hotel Arcadia

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‘The French army deployed at Dunkirk included soldiers from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and other colonies, and in substantial numbers. But we don’t see them.’ Photograph: Bros/Kobal/REX/Shutterstock

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Tuesday 1 August 2017 17.00 AEST Last modified on Tuesday 1 August 2017 21.19 AEST

What a surprise that Nigel Farage has endorsed the new fantasy-disguised-as-historical war film, Dunkirk. Christopher Nolan’s movie is an inadvertently timely, thinly veiled Brexiteer fantasy in which plucky Britons heroically retreat from the dangerous shores of Europe. Most importantly, it pushes the narrative that it was Britain as it exists today – and not the one with a global empire – that stood alone against the “European peril”.

To do so, it erases the Royal Indian Army Services Corp companies, which were not only on the beach, but tasked with transporting supplies over terrain that was inaccessible for the British Expeditionary Force’s motorised transport companies. It also ignores the fact that by 1938, lascars – mostly from South Asia and East Africa – counted for one of four crewmen on British merchant vessels, and thus participated in large numbers in the evacuation.

But Nolan’s erasures are not limited to the British. The French army deployed at Dunkirk included soldiers from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and other colonies, and in substantial numbers. Some non-white faces are visible in one crowd scene, but that’s it. The film forgets the racialised pecking order that determined life and death for both British and French colonial troops at Dunkirk and after it.

This is important, firstly, because it is a matter of factual accuracy in what purports to be an historical portrayal – and also because it was the colonial troops who were crucial in averting absolute catastrophe for the allies. It is also important because, more than history books and school lessons, popular culture shapes and informs our imagination not only of the past, but of our present and future.

The stories that we share among ourselves give us the vision of our individual and collective identities. When those stories consistently – and in a big budget, well-researched production like Dunkirk, one must assume, purposefully – erase the presence of those who are still considered “other” and less-than-equal, these narratives also decide who is seen as “us” as opposed to “them”. Does this removal of those deemed “foreign” and “other” from narratives of the past express a discomfort with the same people in the present? More chillingly, does it also contain a wish to excise the same people from a utopian, national future?

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...n-african-dunkirk-history-whitewash-attitudes


I fail to understand why it's important to write the nonsense in the article you have posted. The setting is the 1930's and the troops were seconded to the primary protagonists. That is how it was and how it will always be at that time.

There seems to be a constant attempt to make everyone apologise for the way things were several lifetimes ago. This writer should heed his/her advice about "popular culture shapes and informs our imagination not only of the past, but of our present and future" and keep things in context, preserving the past...that and grow up instead of persistently knocking what's been as if it was an evil being.
 
I fail to understand why it's important to write the nonsense in the article you have posted. The setting is the 1930's and the troops were seconded to the primary protagonists. That is how it was and how it will always be at that time.

There seems to be a constant attempt to make everyone apologise for the way things were several lifetimes ago. This writer should heed his/her advice about "popular culture shapes and informs our imagination not only of the past, but of our present and future" and keep things in context, preserving the past...that and grow up instead of persistently knocking what's been as if it was an evil being.
I know it is not politically correct but when the war started , you had very few colonial troops in Europe and you would not have seem many[ if any ] non white face in Dunkerque.
 
I know it is not politically correct but when the war started , you had very few colonial troops in Europe and you would not have seem many[ if any ] non white face in Dunkerque.


We were taught there was about 100k plus soldiers from Algiers and other French empire countries
 
We were taught there was about 100k plus soldiers from Algiers and other French empire countries

What happened to those Algerians and French at Dunkirk?

Saw the movie... pretty well made. Amazing how you could turn a military disaster into a kind of victory. I guess it is a victory seeing how if those troops weren't brought back to fight another day... yikes.
 
I know it is not politically correct but when the war started , you had very few colonial troops in Europe and you would not have seem many[ if any ] non white face in Dunkerque.

Here is a news reel of the King and queen inspecting Indian troops Early in the war.




I found this news reel of Indian troops in France prior to the Dunkirk evac.

 
What happened to those Algerians and French at Dunkirk?

Saw the movie... pretty well made. Amazing how you could turn a military disaster into a kind of victory. I guess it is a victory seeing how if those troops weren't brought back to fight another day... yikes.


Let's just say that 40k British troops were left behind and transported by the Germany to worker camps. There are plenty of pictures showing the skin colours of the various soldiers marching form train stations to the shore, including French colonials.
 
We were taught there was about 100k plus soldiers from Algiers and other French empire countries
In the north of France, I have serious doubts.But hey I could be wrong;
There were huge amount of colonial France soldiers involved no doubt there, but they were mostly not affected in the north of France;
a reminder as well as Algeria was a french department with millions of french citizen living there, not just a colony same as south africa
 
Here is a news reel of the King and queen inspecting Indian troops Early in the war.




I found this news reel of Indian troops in France prior to the Dunkirk evac.


First newsreels from UK: midlands
second unknown, anyway I am sure you know better ..
 
First newsreels from UK: midlands
second unknown, anyway I am sure you know better ..


Of course he does, but facts never get in the way of the argument. Who could have missed the 1k man Force K6 Royal Indian Army Service Corps who were Punjabi and Pashtun muslims handling mules and horse among the 400k armed forces ensemble. One of the depleted companies got captured and imprisioned.
 
Of course he does, but facts never get in the way of the argument. Who could have missed the 1k man Force K6 Royal Indian Army Service Corps who were Punjabi and Pashtun muslims handling mules and horse among the 400k armed forces ensemble. One of the depleted companies got captured and imprisioned.
Another 50 year and any movie about WW2 will have as many women as men fighting, a good 20% of transgenders , at least 50% of the women/men being gay; all german baddies will be white, christian and male, all freedom fighter coloured (any but white) and muslim;
No one ever smoking/drinking and all women wearing trousers while nazi commanders will be displayed as Trump caricatures taken from the 2017 TV selected newsreels
I so look for the future:(
 
First newsreels from UK: midlands
second unknown, anyway I am sure you know better ..
What is your point, you said you doubted there was any Indian forces in the area at the early stages of the war, the news reels show there was.
 
Another 50 year and any movie about WW2 will have as many women as men fighting, a good 20% of transgenders , at least 50% of the women/men being gay; all german baddies will be white, christian and male, all freedom fighter coloured (any but white) and muslim;
No one ever smoking/drinking and all women wearing trousers while nazi commanders will be displayed as Trump caricatures taken from the 2017 TV selected newsreels
I so look for the future:(

In 50 years time there won't be any French, English or even franglais spoken in a re-enactment. The whole cast will be Chinese and with a forward to the film stating they invented Dunkirk 2000 years before the English Channel was dug by their Han descendants using gelignite.
 
In 50 years time there won't be any French, English or even franglais spoken in a re-enactment. The whole cast will be Chinese and with a forward to the film stating they invented Dunkirk 2000 years before the English Channel was dug by their Han descendants using gelignite.

No, there's no need to invent and retell Dunkirk. The Chinese already have their own Dunkirk moment about 1800 years ago, in China.

It was during the Three Kingdoms period, the waning years of the Han empire. T'sao T'sao - who controls the imperial house - marches the "Han" army South/West; chasing Liu Pei and his little colony by the YangTze [or one of the major rivers].

Liu Pei and his commanders have to abandon the city, but, according the popular myth, the civilian so loved him they want to follow him. So they marched, had a few minor skirmishes... got to the river and there were no boat.

If Liu Pei and his army were captured, the second Kingdom to the East will also fall to T'sao T'sao. But lucky for the movie series, Zhuge Liang managed to bring enough ships, convinced the Eastern kingdom of Sun for a few ships and they got away just in time.

From this "Dunkirk" moment, the two minor kingdoms managed to form an alliance, defeat T'sao T'sao's naval assault a few years later at Red Cliff... ending his own personal command to "unite" the empire. Dragging the wars on for another generation when the sons of a little known general to T'sao T'sao usurped the throne from T'sao's Son, then work on wiping out the other two kingdoms soon after.

But they might re-tell the story of Admiral Zheng during the Ming era... laying historical claim to that 9-dash lines and them strings of pearl to Africa. The South China seas almost done; they're working on Sri Lanka's port; doing deals in Pakistan.
 
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