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New Ideas . Alternative opinions Tisme ? Sure. No probs.

Alternative facts on the glories of white civililisation, repeated poisonous barbs at women, at the entire Muslim community, the gay community, and anyone who questions these atttacks, the snide comments on the Jewish conspiracy. Nuh.

"You don't terrorise anyone " Don't make me laugh... I've sat opposite any number of little Tismes bleating the same dribble while other staff members are dealing with the detritus left behind the "non terrorisers". It's just pure BS.
 
basilio said:
New Ideas . Alternative opinions Tisme ? Sure. No probs.

Alternative facts on the glories of white civililisation, repeated poisonous barbs at women, at the entire Muslim community, the gay community, and anyone who questions these atttacks, the snide comments on the Jewish conspiracy. Nuh.

"You don't terrorise anyone " Don't make me laugh... I've sat opposite any number of little Tismes bleating the same dribble while other staff members are dealing with the detritus left behind the "non terrorisers". It's just pure BS.
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You're just angry with your inner conflicts and I'm the convenient whipping boy. It's not a betrayal of conscience to accede to your natural instinct and discard the engineered garbage you have ingested over the years of reading the marxist rule books that are published bureaucratic policy.... public servants are inclined to sub tribal inculcation ... it's safe.

Remember those men you admired when you were a boy, the positive strong willed blokes who weren't interested in the paltry and petty, men's men ... you could be that person.
 
Yes, I'm angry with inner conflicts Tisme. Right on.

I'm devastated that we have allowed the self interested liars in the fossil fuel industry and their camp followers to wreck our capacity to tackle the most overwhelming problem we have ever faced - human cause climate change. I have to keep a lid on that because as the world heats up I can only see chaos.

I'm devastated at the demonisation of all Muslims as potential terrorists. When one sees the destruction caused by the invasion of Iraq on a lie and the ongoing mess in Syria and elsewhere all fueled by Western greed for oil .. Yeah not happy.

And "men's men" ? Those "positive, strong willed blokes who wern't interested in the paltry and petty" ? Right on Tisme. But what exactly are those fine sentiments supposed to mean ?
 
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I'm devastated at the demonisation of all Muslims as potential terrorists.
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Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, but if they align with a violent ideology then they are potential terrorists and there is no denying that they are in our midst and prepared to strike.

A small number certainly, but a threat nonetheless.
 
basilio said:
Yes, I'm angry with inner conflicts Tisme. Right on.

I'm devastated that we have allowed the self interested liars in the fossil fuel industry and their camp followers to wreck our capacity to tackle the most overwhelming problem we have ever faced - human cause climate change. I have to keep a lid on that because as the world heats up I can only see chaos.

I'm devastated at the demonisation of all Muslims as potential terrorists. When one sees the destruction caused by the invasion of Iraq on a lie and the ongoing mess in Syria and elsewhere all fueled by Western greed for oil .. Yeah not happy.

And "men's men" ? Those "positive, strong willed blokes who wern't interested in the paltry and petty" ? Right on Tisme. But what exactly are those fine sentiments supposed to mean ?
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So you personify your "devastation" by constantly denigrating me? What, in your behaviours, doesn't mirror the attack on western culture being waged by the outsiders? Ever stopped to think that it is the legacy and industry of the west that allows you the luxury to white ant it?
 
Tisme said:
So you personify your "devastation" by constantly denigrating me? What, in your behaviours, doesn't mirror the attack on western culture being waged by the outsiders? Ever stopped to think that it is the legacy and industry of the west that allows you the luxury to white ant it?
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Nope. I challenge your nastiness, your depiction of western superiority, your attacks on Muslims, your attacks on women, gays and those you don't support your attacks.
Your attempt to classify these as part of some attack on true Western culture is dribble.
 
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Of course not all Muslims are terrorists, but if they align with a violent ideology then they are potential terrorists and there is no denying that they are in our midst and prepared to strike.

A small number certainly, but a threat nonetheless.
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Hmm. So if I read you correctly your saying
1) The Islamic religion is in itself a violent ideology (Utterly disagree with that premise.)
2) Therefore anyone who says they are a Muslim is a potential terrorist.
3) They are all around us and prepared to strike at any time.

Want to re-consider that proposition Rumpy ?
 
basilio said:
Hmm. So if I read you correctly your saying
1) The Islamic religion is in itself a violent ideology (Utterly disagree with that premise.)
2) Therefore anyone who says they are a Muslim is a potential terrorist.
3) They are all around us and prepared to strike at any time.

Want to re-consider that proposition Rumpy ?
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Bas, I've said before that you only need to look at countries where Islam is the religion and the law.

Floggings, beheadings, child slavery, denigration of women and death for apostates.

If we let this religion spread here in this country, we are in a lot of trouble.

What is to reconsider ?
 
i know this is too long but is good & funny please read to the end.

Company Memo
FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director
TO: All Employees
DATE: November 24, 2015
RE: Gala Christmas Party
I'm happy to inform you that the company Christmas Party will take place on December 23rd, starting at noon in the private function room at the Grill House.
There will be a cash bar and plenty of drinks! We'll have a small band playing traditional carols... feel free to sing along. And don't be surprised if our CEO shows up dressed as Santa Claus!
A Christmas tree will be lit at 1:00 PM. Exchanges of gifts among employees can be done at that time; however, no gift should be over $10.00 to make the giving of gifts easy for everyone's pockets.
This gathering is only for employees!
Our CEO will make a special announcement at that time!
Merry Christmas to you and your family,
Patty
Company Memo
FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director
TO: All Employees
DATE: November 25 2015
RE: Gala Holiday Party
In no way was yesterday's memo intended to exclude our Jewish employees. We recognize that Hanukkah is an important holiday, which often coincides with Christmas, though unfortunately not this year.
However, from now on, we're calling it our "Holiday Party." The same policy applies to any other employees who are not Christians and to those still celebrating Reconciliation Day.
There will be no Christmas tree and no Christmas carols will be sung.
We will have other types of music for your enjoyment.
Happy now?
Happy Holidays to you and your family,
Patty
Company Memo
FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director
TO: All Employees
DATE: November 27, 2015
RE: Holiday Party
Regarding the note I received from a member of Alcoholics Anonymous requesting a non-drinking table, you didn't sign your name...
I'm happy to accommodate this request, but if I put a sign on a table that reads, "AA Only", you wouldn't be anonymous anymore. How am I supposed to handle this?
Somebody?
And sorry, but forget about the gift exchange, no gifts are allowed since the union members feel that $10.00 is too much money and the executives believe $10.00 is a little chintzy.
REMEMBER: NO GIFTS EXCHANGE WILL BE ALLOWED.
Patty
Company Memo
FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director
To: All Employees
DATE: November 28, 2015
RE: Generic Holiday Party
What a diverse group we are! I had no idea that December 20th begins the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which forbids eating and drinking during daylight hours.
There goes the party! Seriously, we can appreciate how a luncheon at this time of year does not accommodate our Muslim employees' beliefs. Perhaps the Grill House can hold off on serving your meal until the end of the party or else package everything for you to take it home in little foil doggy baggy. Will that work?
Meanwhile, I've arranged for members of Weight Watchers to sit farthest from the dessert buffet, and pregnant women will get the table closest to the restrooms.
Gays are allowed to sit with each other. Lesbians do not have to sit with Gay men, each group will have their own table.
Yes, there will be flower arrangement for the Gay men's table.
To the person asking permission to cross dress, the Grill House asks that no cross-dressing be allowed, apparently because of concerns about confusion in the restrooms. Sorry.
We will have booster seats for short people.
Low-fat food will be available for those on a diet.
I am sorry to report that we cannot control the amount of salt used in the food . The Grill House suggests that people with high blood pressure taste a bite first.
There will be fresh "low sugar" fruits as dessert for diabetics, but the restaurant cannot supply "no sugar" desserts. Sorry!
Did I miss anything?!?!?
Patty
Company Memo
FROM: Patty Lewis, Human Resources Director
TO: All Friggin Employees
DATE: November 29, 2015
RE: The Friggin Holiday Party
I've had it with you vegetarian pricks!!! We're going to keep this party at the Grill House whether you like it or not, so you can sit quietly at the table furthest from the "grill of death," as you so quaintly put it, and you'll get your friggin salad bar, including organic tomatoes.
But you know, tomatoes have feelings, too. They scream when you slice them. I've heard them scream. I'm hearing them scream right NOW!
The rest of you friggin weirdoes can kiss my ass. I hope you all have a rotten holiday!
Drive drunk and die,
The Bitch from Hell!!!
Company Memo
FROM: Joan Bishop, Acting Human Resources Director
DATE: November 31, 2012
RE: Patty Lewis and Holiday Party
I'm sure I speak for all of us in wishing Patty Lewis a speedy recovery from her recent nervous breakdown and I'll continue to forward your cards to her at the asylum.
In the meantime, management has decided to cancel our Holiday Party and give everyone the afternoon of the 23rd off with full pay.
Happy Whatever!
Joan
 
We do not want to become fundamentalist Islamic states. In fact we also don't want to be ruled by Orthodox Jews or the Westbro Baptist Church. But tarring 1.5 billion people with the one brush and wanting to treat them all like potential terroriists is well and truly over the top.

I came across a good source of information on Islam which could broaden the discussion.

https://theconversation.com/why-is-islam-so-different-in-different-countries-51804

The full complement of articles can be found here.
https://theconversation.com/au/topics/understanding-islamic-state-24785
 
basilio said:
But tarring 1.5 billion people with the one brush and wanting to treat them all like potential terroriists is well and truly over the top.
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Well, I guess the problem is, if we don't know who are terrorists and who are not, what do we do ?
 
basilio said:
We do not want to become fundamentalist Islamic states. In fact we also don't want to be ruled by Orthodox Jews or the Westbro Baptist Church. But tarring 1.5 billion people with the one brush and wanting to treat them all like potential terroriists is well and truly over the top.
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I came across a good source of information on Islam which could broaden the discussion.

https://theconversation.com/why-is-islam-so-different-in-different-countries-51804

The full complement of articles can be found here.
https://theconversation.com/au/topics/understanding-islamic-state-24785
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The terrorist issue is important, but the least of the worries. The big concern is cultural incongruity. There are some Muslim societies culturally congruent with ours, most aren't however.

That is the issue, culture, not religion... Hence culturally incongruous Christians, or whatever.

Contrast Malayan, v Arabic Muslims.

Huge difference.
 
basilio said:
Nope. I challenge your nastiness
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I'm not nasty, just forthright
, your depiction of western superiority,
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you expect me to betray my birthright?
your attacks on Muslims,
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not the people, but the disease
your attacks on women, gays
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never, that's you not reading what I write because of rage
and those you don't support your attacks.
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only when they ride in with guns blazing or they are just plain stupid people:D

Your attempt to classify these as part of some attack on true Western culture is dribble.
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You are patently out to sabotage western values, it's so chumpy I could carve it, which is why I suspect you are not an anglo breed, but someone who carries childhood baggage of hurt feelings from your peers and using skin tone as an excuse for it.
 
Nearly every mass killer is a man.... shame on you!


Nearly every mass killer is a man. We should all be talking more about that
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After the Toronto attack, there should be a debate about toxic masculinity, and the issues of identity and rage that turn so many men towards violence

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    From the Oklahoma bombing to the massacre in Norway it is always the same. In the immediate aftermath of mass murder, the initial hypothesis is that it must be a Muslim. And so it was on Monday that, within minutes of a van mowing down pedestrians in Toronto, a far-right lynching party was mobilised on social media looking for jihadis. Paul Joseph Watson, of conspiracy site Infowars, announced, “A jihadist has just killed nine people”; Katie Hopkins branded the Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, a “terrorist shill”.

    But there is a far safer assumption one can generally make. For while a relatively small proportion of mass killers in North America are Muslim, across the globe they are almost all men.

    There will be, though, no appeals for moderate men to denounce toxic masculinity, no extra surveillance where men congregate, no government-sponsored schemes to promote moderate manhood, or travel bans for men. Indeed, the one thing that is consistently true for such incidents, whether they are classified as terrorist or not, will for the most part go unremarked. Obviously not all men are killers. But the fact that virtually all mass killers are men should, at the very least, give pause for thought. If it were women slaying people at this rate, feminism would be in the dock. The fact they are male is both accepted and expected. Boys will be boys; mass murderers will be men.

    This week’s atrocity in Toronto, where Alek Minassian stands accused of killing 10 and wounding 14, gives us yet another chance to reflect on the destructive capacity of masculinity – not least because it may have been the principal motive for this attack.

    Minassian is not known to have any strong religious affiliations. But according to his Facebook feed, he identified with devotees of “incel” (short for “involuntarily celibate”), which is for straight men who “can’t have sex despite wanting to” and splits the world into Stacys (attractive women who won’t sleep with them) and Chads (men who are sexually successful).


    It seems innocent and adolescent – that blend of pathos and priapism that helped get nerdy boys through high school. Only, Minassian was 25 and hadn’t grown out of it, but into it with a vengeance. His last Facebook post read: “The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!”

    In 2014, 22-year-old Rodger wrote a screed against, among other things, women and couples (particularly inter-racial couples), before killing seven people, including himself, and injuring 14 in Isla Vista, California. “I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me but I will punish you all for it,” Rodger stated in a video uploaded before the rampage. “It’s an injustice, a crime because … I’m the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at all these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.”

    Alexandre Bissonnette, who killed six and injured 19 in a mosque in Quebec City last year, identified with Rodger and had been Googling him not long before the crime.

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    Elliot Rodger killed six people and himself in California in 2014. Photograph: Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images
    With tens of thousands visiting their message boards, incel is hardly marginal – though arguably too amorphous and incoherent to dignify with the term movement. It is debatable how widespread the cult of Rodger might be. But the issues of misogyny and inadequacy that drive men to it characterise a far broader and deeper problem that helps to explain male violence.

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    On the one hand, there is the hatred of women, born for the most part from a sense of entitlement. These men do not just resent the fact that they can’t get a girlfriend. They feel women are denying them the sex that is rightfully theirs. They belong to broadly the same demographic as the Gamergate movement earlier this decade, in which male gamers systematically harassed female game developers and media critics, subjecting them to rape and death threats, and publishing details of their personal lives online.

    These men, wherever they are, now have more political space than they used to. There is considerable overlap with the American hard right. And they have a role model in the White House in a president who was accused of rape by his first wife, boasts of grabbing women by the genitals, makes up sexual stories about women on the internet, and openly disparages their looks and intellect. In the 2005 book TrumpNation, the future president tells Timothy O’Brien his favourite part in Pulp Fiction is when “Sam [Jackson] had his gun out in the diner and he tells the guy to tell his girlfriend to shut up: ‘Tell that Bitch to be cool.’ Say, ‘Bitch be cool.’ I love those lines.”

    We don’t know what proportion of these men go on to have abusive relationships or if they enter relationships at all. But we do know there is a significant correlation between domestic abuse and mass murder.

    An Everytown for Gun Safety report last year revealed that between 2009 and 2016 more than half of mass shootings in the US were related to domestic or family violence. In a third of the public mass shootings during that time period the gunman had a history of violence against women – domestic abuse is a more common trait among mass murderers than mental illness.

    On the other hand, there is a deep sense of grievance. While most people avoid association with failure, these men are attracted to it. Their inadequacy is central both to their identity and their rage. They are not the men they want or need to be; they do not have the status they feel was their birthright. This is the fault of others and somebody, anybody, must therefore pay. “The amok man,” writes Douglas Kellner in Guys and Guns Amok, describing the man likely to commit a mass killing, “is patently out of his mind … But his rampage is preceded by lengthy brooding over failure and is carefully planned as a means of deliverance from an unbearable situation.”

    While the desire to dominate and the embrace of failure may appear contradictory, they are in fact part of the same pathology. The rage stems from the fact that the very thing they feel entitled to – women’s bodies, women’s lives, women’s obeisance – is not available to them. They hate the thing they cannot have. And of course they hate themselves for their inability to get it.

    If ever there was an illustration of how a system of patriarchy demeans and depletes us all, this is it. Unable to take advantage of the male privileges they believe they are owed, they feel inadequate and grow resentful, and a handful become violent. Often awkward, shy and unconfident, they cannot meet the standards of machismo that patriarchy demands. They think feminism will destroy them. But in fact it is their greatest chance of liberation, since the less women are forced to conform to preconceived notions of femininity, the more space there is within masculinity for them to be themselves. As such, they are not only the perpetrators of misogyny but the products and, ultimately, the victims of it.

    • Gary Younge is editor-at-large for the Guardian
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Hi Basilio:
basilio said:
Hmm. So if I read you correctly your saying
1) The Islamic religion is in itself a violent ideology (Utterly disagree with that premise.)
YES
2) Therefore anyone who says they are a Muslim is a potential terrorist.
A true believer: YES

3) They are all around us and prepared to strike at any time.
Less in Australia than in europe, but YES;
and feel free to read the Koran, I did , did you?


Want to re-consider that proposition Rumpy ?
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