SLA - Solagran Limited

[PJ83]

Hey guys,

I'm just reading about SLA now and I'm a skeptic about its products ATM.

If you're familiar with it, does anyone see any similarities with BOS? Both companies are using naturally derived products (although BOS has synthesized the natural product) and are applying it to solve modern problems.

Both have massive upside with little current sales. Both have target markets with billions of sales potential and high margins.

An international Japan-based company called Restoration Group specializes in commercializing these types of products. It has snavelled up over 10% of BOS's shares and are backing it all the with great previous track record. It's received numerous Australian industry grants and has numerous research partnerships with international companies. It's got a patent family and is expecting "deals which may have near term revenue" within the next few months. Consider this then, why is SLA doing so much better SP wise than BOS?

Don't see Restoration group mentioned by SLA though. Also, "Ropen" sounds like you're being "roped in". hahaaha they're going to 'ropen' the investors then dump their russian shares at an all time high in the biggest mafia scam EVER. Just a thought.

 

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Hey guys,

I'm just reading about SLA now and I'm a skeptic about its products ATM.

If you're familiar with it, does anyone see any similarities with BOS? Both companies are using naturally derived products (although BOS has synthesized the natural product) and are applying it to solve modern problems.

Both have massive upside with little current sales. Both have target markets with billions of sales potential and high margins.

An international Japan-based company called Restoration Group specializes in commercializing these types of products. It has snavelled up over 10% of BOS's shares and are backing it all the with great previous track record. It's received numerous Australian industry grants and has numerous research partnerships with international companies. It's got a patent family and is expecting

As you say BOS synthesises thier product, SLA has a patented system to extract live/living material without harming it (ie not using heat) and has 70 years of reasearch, unlike BOS, therefore the SP is reflecting the potential of a great NATURAL product, not a synthesised bunch of chemicals....there is realy no comparison....SLA ROCKS!!!!

SLA is about to get Ropren approved which is a major step, other BIOs in thier range already are, and as soona s they sell the 'on hand' Ropren they will have enough cash to continue with trials and expansion....trials will be the SP winner though...

From what I can see Bos is on a TOTALY different path and any similarities will probably be in SLA's favour if the same results are obtained....

ROPREN is multi faceted in it's uses and in combination with BIO-B and the othe 13, in various ways, it just stands out as a winner.

PJ83....if you listened to the AGM on brr.com.au you would hear Vagif say we have the Russian Mafia on our side...lol.....and this is an Australian company not a Russian one, it's just manufacturing in Siberia ATMhey dude
....some are traded in Germany(at a premium) I think, but otherwise it's all OZ....DR Vagif is a naturalised Ozzy....since '94 from recollection.

There are plenty that are happy to hold here, jump on or don't; It makes no difference to me......SLA is not a bad one to have held over the last 4-5 months....and jealousy will get you nowhere......hehe.......:

I pick my 'holdem forever stocks' carefuly, research them, contact management and then tell my friends.....and guess what....they're still my friends....lol.....never listen to hype and ramping just DYOR....nearly bought BOS myself a long time ago....the big difference is that SLA is rising....very similar 10 year graphs, but we have someting special here.......good luck with BOS PJ 83, and my best advice is not to fall in love with a share....if it doesnt perform then sell it!

 

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Yeah, I'm not doubting its potential to make money, I'm doubting how much. If it is a blackmores type, the revenue will be limited, but if it is a prescription based medicine, I dare say the revenue base will be significantly larger. And if it is marketed as a natural product, you will have every man and his dog coming out with studies showing why it doesn't work etc. etc.

Because it is made from plant based substances, it will be in direct competition with products such as 'Logicol'. This will also make it harder to make huge amounts from the product.

Hey chops....'Logical' (tm) is a great product and it works on cholesterol.....Ropren does alot more than 'logical margarine' (I am a butter fan...I dont like eating plastic), you know it and so do I, it wasnt origionaly made for cholesterol lowering, it's just a great side affect.....perhaps they will add a little spice to 'Logical margarine' and add some of SLA's Natural extracts to it, to improve it, or put it in a special brand of BUTTER to kick 'logical' off the shelf....who knows....all I know is that I'm more than happy to have bought in so early and am about to buy more at a reasonable price....if I can.....


Perhaps they will even find a cure for 'toe jam'.....lol....private joke.

 

[PJ83]

Hi Pacer/All

I'm probably not in a position to comment but I'll give you my initial thoughts

Yes I listened to the Brr interviews/agm today. I wasn't suggesting that BOS was developing a competing technology. And btw it's got a least 10 years of Australian R&D behind it via Australian Universities and 50 million years of evolution to do what it does. I think BOS will continue to make great ground this year and 'take off' in late 07/08 in much the same way SLA is now.

I think I am in the same position research wise with BOS as you are with SLA. I've done my homework via scuttlebutt, attended AGM, spoke to managing director and board etc. I spend hours a day researching this stock. They're both great biotechs methinks, SLA is just getting a head start.

I have a couple of reservations about how the product works though. Go to the BOS website and you'll see simple diagrams and explanations about how the product achieves what it does. I have no idea and after researching for hours today, still don't know how it does all these wonderful things. I know milk thistle is traditionally taken as a liver tonic. Perhaps it's got something to do with this whole thistle family. Do the researchers even know how it works? I mean, do they understand the mechanism, or are their results based on trial and error, cause and effect etc? This is not rhetorical, I actually would like to know.

But how does extracting and consuming 'live/living material' from thistles help you? I mean, could I just go munch on a branch and get a better effect?

Having just looked at this today, I'm on the fence for the time being. There are too many questions, too many coincidences I'm not comfortable with just yet. (Ie, They said they registered their bioeffect A via Aussie TGA (therapeutic goods association) as a compimentary medicine. I went to the website but a search failed to bring it up as a registered product) Also there's so much unnecessary jargon in their reports.

It's all a little too good to be true so I'm not going to rush into a position, I'll let the subconscious work on it for a bit. Maybe I'll convert in a day or two. The risk/reward doesn't work for me just yet because I don't fully understand the risks. I'm watching it with an eagle eye though

 

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PJ...just checked the 'biosignal webste again....it's been a few years since I looked at it....and SP is still the same...ie SLA and BOS are different in so many ways....the only difference is love....loved BOS when I first saw it but it diddn't have enthusiasm, the multi use or the research behind it...seemed like a tax haven for the Japs to me..ie a write-off for business purposes, so I left it alone, not to mention the lack of enthusiasm....it was my opinion at the time...not bagging them at all but it has no real foundation or SUPER SCIENTISTS onboard....

I'm just happy to be onto a winner......and if we knew how nature worked, it would already be patented......the BIG GUY UPSTAIRS has a lifetime patent on everything and will sue you in the afterlife.....lol

 

[PJ83]

SUPER SCIENTISTS, what, like batman? He's a scientist.

 

[chops_a_must]

SUPER SCIENTISTS, what, like batman? He's a scientist.

Nah, more like Doctor Miracle.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AipgFeGh-nY

 

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The miracle share makes a tidy comeback today on a bad day for most...Damn etrade was impossible to access....60c....missed it and am spewing!

I found a spare $10k last week and had it ready....another lesson learnt....place bids and wait....DOH!

At least I have some more $$$$ from NCM's rise and bailing out EOD yesterday....gota love them CFD's..hehe

 

[PJ83]

Yes as a new shareholder I was very pleased to see it bounce right back today. Can't wait for that Release about Ropren Registration in Russia. Really. RRR

 

[Sandman]

Guys,

I think this would be about the time to start buying.

Has proved its science in Australia. (God knows why - Australia gave the world thalidomide).

Got manufacturers and marketers in place to sell it's Bio A range which will sell better than just about any product now available

Ropren to be listed as a medicine in Russia any day now. For any major drug company this would cost about $1000 Million. Which would put a value of about $5 on SLA yet it is peddling at .69c.

I reckon it will be close to $5 by Xmas unless some drug company makes abid for it. In which case it will be lot more.

I keep buying with any spare cash I have.

 

[Out Too Soon]

Guys,

I think this would be about the time to start buying.

Has proved its science in Australia. (God knows why - Australia gave the world thalidomide).

Got manufacturers and marketers in place to sell it's Bio A range which will sell better than just about any product now available

Ropren to be listed as a medicine in Russia any day now. For any major drug company this would cost about $1000 Million. Which would put a value of about $5 on SLA yet it is peddling at .69c.

I reckon it will be close to $5 by Xmas unless some drug company makes abid for it. In which case it will be lot more.

I keep buying with any spare cash I have.

So conservative! why not $10? no $35 CSL level? Yeaahhh! : $1000 million, why not $200000000 million?
Apologies to anyone with more than 3 posts for my exuberance!

 

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All I can say is...thank god for Yeltsin, the KGB and the Russian Mafia for all thier help in getting SLA on the move....lol

It's been a strange week on the markets all round....the drop in shares and now....no news this week from SLA........wierd, very wierd....hehe

I recon we will have a few weeks of no news just to build the anticipation and excitement .....then...... KAPOW!....BIFF!......BAM!.....Holey smoke Batman!

 

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Anouncement.....SOLAMIND out of escrow......using escrowed shares as leverage to buy more on market shares.

I noticed the SP rising today, perhaps SOLAMIND have already raised enough cash to start the SP rising again.

This will be a very interesting few weeks for SLA, and the SP, SOLAMIND are probably a bit p!%^ed off that they missed some great buying opportunities over the last week.

 

[PJ83]

I know posting SP targets is frowned upon, but not if you can support it with your observations and analysis. (This is not a ramp either up or down mmk)

What targets does everyone think are appropriate to list for the case of positive russian approval of ropren? I think we should post a best and worst case scenario and an expected price yeah?

Personally, worst case I envisage would be that the ropren is not approved, turns out Vagif has liver disease and ropren is carcinogenic. hahaha but seriously, if not approved, a 70% drop in one day is possible like mesoblast just weeks ago. Based on this, could see 20c like before the positive Aus trials. I think if the outcome was negative, a lot of speculators would hammer the price down, not realising the value of the product in the other countries of the world...

Best case, well we all know the numbers and if sales are accelerated and there is good publicity, could hit several dollars. (At least in time) Depending on speculation, I think we could have a 5-10-bagger (BEST case). Impossible to quantify exactly, just that the current price would seem like a steal. I'm not game enough to list an exact figure... (leave that to sandman?).

And realistically, I think the SP will anticipate the deal to a degree and then only increase by a similar percentage to the Aus trial reaction.

Whaddya reckon? I realise this is a pointless exercise but it is interesting to note people's expectations.

The above are my current opinions only DYOR, not an indication to buy or sell.

 

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PJ83.....It's almost a given that ropren will be approved, we are just waiting for it to be official on paper, and may already be factored into the price a bit, so anywhere form 5 to 50c is possible IMO, and more news on sales needs to be released, ie how much Ropren will be sold immediately, at what price ($2000 US sounds like the price they are looking for from calculating stocks), how much demand, how much more can be produced per year with Sibex, ect ect.

I think it's too soon to make assumptions but where I'd like it to goto is another question, I'd like it to hit $6 minimum by the end of the year after more trials are completed and deals done, but that's just my expectations not what will actualy happen....lots more info, actual attainable production levels and demand, for SLA products, needs to be factored in.

I hope it beats MBL to the $100 mark, or at least hits it within 5 years....but thats just me dreaming......it's all hope and speculkation ATM, but if any of these imagined price targets are reached I will be one happy son of a gun!

The above is not a ramp, just imagined potential, from 4 months research, by myself......DYOR.....then make your own best guess.

I don't need to ramp this stock, management are doing a fine job of that themselves, as the SP indicates.

Oh and SANDMAN......they have measures in place to try and stop a takeover.......for better or worse ....from what I have read.

They may be contacting Derryn Hinch soon too, because of his liver problems....lots of emails were sent to SLA management, then maybe the media will be on this like crazy, even doing a biopic on a current affairs show, which is also being looked at closely by management....yes I chat by email occasionaly.....it's fact. Plenty of media attention in the papers already so it's looking good. Boardroom radio broadcasts make old Dennis sound like an excited schoolboy.

They say in the last ANN. that SOLAMIND dont intend to sell any shares and use the ones they have as callatoral to buy more, this can mean many things, there may be a capital raising at some stage or they are even positioning themselves for war against takeover, or , and I dont want to scare you, save the world by selling it to cheaply therefore reducing profits....did I just say that?...ouch, but they are goody goodies, by the sound of them and state thier primary mission is to help people, hopefuly not at our expense. call me greedy but I bought to make as much as I can out of SLA, and intend to hold for a long time yet, and buy more on any weakness if I have a few spare $$$...picked up some more on the correction luckily.

 

[PJ83]

As good as their intentions are stated, #1 objective is to make money. Otherwise they would be a non-profit organisation. Thank god that's not the case.
Another boring weekend without the stockmarket. Yawn. Might have to hit the piss. I wonder whether SLA can make a decent pick-me-up pill?

 

[saltyjones]

As good as their intentions are stated, #1 objective is to make money. Otherwise they would be a non-profit organisation. Thank god that's not the case.
Another boring weekend without the stockmarket. Yawn. Might have to hit the piss. I wonder whether SLA can make a decent pick-me-up pill?

yeah.........got what ya lookin for PJ83. a sp rise on monday is just the tonic.

 

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http://www.solagran.com/docs/media/CM Antibacterial on the launch pad.htm

Are we getting a bit of notice now or what.....the next leg up will no doubt cure any scepticism.

 

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Ripped a bit from hc ramping site, but my answers are here

Q..........Does anyone reckon that the market has factored in (already) any upside due to the Russian rubber stamping supposedly coming in 2 to 3 weeks? If it is a lay down call (as already stated) then we are in a sort of limbo for awhile until it happens. We don't know if stock is available to sell to ther Ruskis do we? If it is they are in at the jump and a major milestone is achieved. If it isn't ready then how lomg do they have until stock is made up and batched? If they haven't got stock available for the pent-up demand then why not? I might give them a call tomorrow and ask them this stuff and post it when I get some answers. Sleep easy though rest assured it is all under control.

A........Market will have factored some of the price in, but a rise is still on the cards anyway.

Yes they do have stock on hand of Ropren, and a lot of the others too, read previous anns but I think is 24 kilos and worth $18 mill.

Market will only stay flat if no more news is available...but we are expecting some before the end of this month.

You best be going over 4 months worth of old announcements if you are new to this stock.
A#2............IMO 70-80% profit, but remember the injectable form of Ropren will change all this if it works...ie if you only need 10% of the dose then multiply the $18 mill by 10 (which = $180 mill ) but reduce that by a % as well, to make it fair and cheap enough to distribute to a wider community, by say 45% and we have 100 mill=market cap.......I have no idea how much less they need using the injectable form of Ropren, and tests are still being carried out on this as far as I know.....so it's only a guess atm but even halving the amount necessary will mean about $30 mill profit on what they have on hand....also remember they will be ramping up production to 10 times the current level of 24kg/year when the sibex deal is done....

worst case scenario Ropren will not be registered.......whaaaaaaaa!

best case scenario profits from Ropren will be 10(injectable)x10(production increase)x$100mill=$10000 mill....ie 10 billion $ per year......

middle of the road 10x 10x$30 mill=3billion$ per year

Sound a bit too far out , have I calculated upper limits correctly......I think so, double check for me please(it sounds like too much)....is it too good to be true?

I'm sure Ropren will be a lot cheaper but eventually if it is taken up by the wider community, including animals, and farmers as an insecticide/ fungicide (those poor cane growers in Queensland need it for their crops atm)and ......blah blah blah.....don't forget the BIO-B and sauna products and anti fungal/bacterial creams...ect and childs flue and...bla....blaaa...blaaa

I'm sure we will make big $$ if it all comes together whatever the outcome.....

DYOR....


And as a note I am happy to hold long term and so are the directors...why wouldnt you?.......DYOR.....especialy the last 4 months anns and calculate it yourself...please do and post, I am interested to find out what makes this one tick, and what makes the holders hold.....obviously I have my reasons!

200%+Sp increase in 4 months must mean some have done thier calculations.....post your numbers please......:

 

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On February 1, 2002, CHS posted a Patient Alert about Statin Drugs. According to an article in the Wall St. Journal, doctors and patients have noted several side effects of the most widely prescribed drugs in the U.S. - statins (some brand names are Lipitor, Zocor, and Provachol). Common complaints of patients taking statins include memory loss, personality changes, irritability, and aching muscle pain. The article also noted that the National Institutes of Health is in the midst of an independent study that will subject statin drugs and their side effects to scientific scrutiny.

From

http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p217.htm

http://www.solagran.com/docs/media/CM%20Antibacterial%20on%20the%20launch%20pad.htm

Are we getting a bit of notice now or what.....the next leg up will no doubt cure any scepticism.

Dunno why a bit more interest aint being taken.....stuffem...I found another $5k to throw in on weakness.