skc
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Why do you prefer this over say CCP for example..
It also has a low PE, from memory its single digit.
Yes CCP is pretty much the same thing with PE~8.3 on forecast EPS ~46-51c (~+10%) and dividend yield ~5% (7.1% gross). CLH has slightly lower PE, similar growth, and higher divdiend. While these numbers are slightly in favour of CLH they are close enough.
But the intangible is that CCP announced their forecast back in early Aug when the market was not in the mood to mark them up. Whereas CLH announced the update today that might garner some positive attention and demand in a more positive market.
Imgaine like 2 people stranded on an island with similar intelligence and physical attributes. One fired his flare 2 months ago on a cloudy day in non-fishing season. The other fired his flare today on a clear night during fishing season (so a fleet of fishing boats might be around the bay - yes it's a very elaborate analogy). So I pick that there's a higher chance that the second person will be rescued first.
My investment horizon is short (haven't held anything over a year) and I like to see share prices move the moment I pick it up. Time can be the worst enemy sometimes... stock positions are called "exposure" for good reasons.
CLH has more debt on their books though compared with CCP, was comparing the 2 today as well since they released their results. It seems they upgraded their forecast for profit based on the increase in Q1 profits only with the rest of the quarters static so earnings could increase.
Not quite ready to build up positions yet, I let a couple of stocks get away from me in this rally because I don't really see what has changed, europe and the US are still a basket case and China to follow soon.
Well done again SKC! As Sinner says, SKC is alpha! My first comment on this thread but just wanted to say I have learnt a lot from your willingness to share and enjoy following it. Glad you have continued beyond the initial 52 weeks as well..
SKC
Sensational effort given the market over the last 12 mths.
Anything that can make a quid is a tough gig these days
Any thoughts on a merger arbitrage position in Flinders Mines skc? If you could get it at 27.5c then still about 8% on the table - although granted that the offer is by scheme of arrangement and will not be finalised for a while. Also the possibility of a counter-bid by Rio or FMG.
I think this is evidence that using fundamental analysis can beat the market.
Michael
New Position
Buy 150,000 MII @ $0.125 = $18,750.
SKC
Sensational effort given the market over the last 12 mths.
Anything that can make a quid is a tough gig these days
New Position
7/10/2011 Buy 13574 CSV @ $1.105 = $15,000.
Rationale
CSV is usually called an IT company but a large part of it is really just in the business of distributing and fixing photocopiers.
Last week CSV announced that they have been approached with a non-binding proposal from unknown bidder for $1.20 for the whole company, and today they announced that they have attracted interests from more secret admirers. The board has adviced to take no action but is engaging with the suitors. Share price jumped from 70c to $1 after the initial news.
The deal is at an early stage and plenty can go wrong, but I've looked at CSV before as a standalone investment proposition and the numbers are not that bad.
Last year NPAT was $40.4m (up 26%) or 14.3cps which puts the $1.20 price at PE ~8.4 (not expensive imo). CSV did a cap raising back in Apr 2011 at $1.10 which brought their debt down to $47m. Operating cash flow was $14m boosted by some better receivables / inventory management. So their balance sheet looks reasonable for the nature of its business.
They have been a bit unloved for some time however, as CSV is heavily reliant on their distribution / service agreement with Canon, has a messy court case with Fuji Xerox, and probably some other smelly fleas that I've yet to discover.
With EBITDA ~$69m and debt of $47m, a reasonable deal say at 6-8x EBITDA would be $1.3 to $1.8 per share. Given the overall market I would take anything above $1.30. I also reserve the right to get cold feet and exit for no reason...
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