Sentencing in Australia is a disgrace

[Tink]

Three Victorian Turnbull government ministers face contempt charges

Three Victorian Turnbull government ministers will be forced to explain to the Supreme Court why they should not be charged with contempt after accusing the state’s judiciary of being soft on terror sentencing.

It’s understood the Supreme Court has ordered Health Minister Greg Hunt, Human Services Minister Alan Tudge and Assistant Minister to the Treasurer, Michael Sukkar, to appear on Friday to justify why they should not “be referred for prosecution for contempt”.

The Herald Sun has been told a letter from Judicial Registrar Ian Irving has been sent to the MPs regarding comments published in the The Australian accusing the judiciary of going soft on terrorists.

“The attributed statements appear to intend to bring the Court into disrepute, to assert the judges have and will apply an ideologically based predisposition in deciding the case or cases and that the judges will not apply the law,” the letter said.

The three ministers accused the Victorian judiciary of handing down lighter sentences for terrorists.

It’s understood the comments were seen by the court as relating to an appeal by the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions which challenged a seven-and-a-half-year non-parole sentence imposed in 2016 on Sevdet Ramadan Besim.

Besim pleaded guilty to planning to behead a police officer on Anzac Day in 2015.

The Court of Appeal is yet to deliver its judgments on the cases.

Prominent Melbourne criminal defence lawyer Rob Stary said yesterday he had lodged a formal complaint to the Commonwealth prosecutors about the ministers’ comments.

Mr Stary said the judiciary must be “free from political interference” and the ministers should resign or stand down.

The Judicial Conference of Australia condemned their conduct as “grossly improper and unfair”.

Both Mr Hunt and Mr Tudge stood by their comments when asked on Tuesday.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/dc6ab22549a08f3258a20d2851781470

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[sptrawler]

Well here is sentencing in W.A

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/meth...for-bashing-truckie-with-hammer-ng-b88542548z

Six years, possibly out in four years, you are a really naughty boy.


https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/murder-suspect-driven-by-anger-ng-b88541778z

A chance run in with police two weeks ago, triggered his crime spree, naughty police for pulling him over.

 

[sptrawler]

The persons motorcycle was stolen, he saw the motorcycle being ridden down a track and gave chase.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/driv...ury-after-elijah-doughtys-death-ng-b88542478z

The outcome will be interesting.

 

[dutchie]

Judge Lex Lasry dines out on Peter Dutton gang anxiety
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...y/news-story/c9c60b065fde9572e782671eb3c57b2b


"Victorian Supreme Court judge Lex Lasry has mocked Peter Dutton’s claim that Melbourne’s gang violence had made residents too scared to go out at night, sparking a rebuke from the Home Affairs Minister.

After Mr Dutton made the comments on Sydney radio on Wednesday, Justice Lasry slammed the comments as ill-informed, and ridiculed the minister on Twitter. “Breaking: there are citizens out to dinner in Mansfield tonight and they’re not worried,” he tweeted on Wednesday evening, referring to the Victorian alpine town he regularly visits."

Shows how out of touch the Judiciary is.
Comparing alpine country town to Melbourne.
Lasry is a joke. How do these people become judges?????

 

[dutchie]

When will it end? More than a dozen African thugs wreak havoc in Melbourne's west overnight – 'assaulting two teenage boys on the street before terrorising a woman in a violent home invasion'

• A gang of African appearance has caused havoc in Melbourne's west overnight
• A woman, 59, was struck in the face and her home ransacked by up to 14 males
• Two teenagers were attacked in separate earlier incidents in nearby suburbs
• Offenders later staged another home invasion but fled from armed occupants
• The rampage is the latest in a series of violent crimes attributed to African gangs

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ld-Melbourne-crime-rampage.html#ixzz53IZoxRh2

No people eating at restaurants in Melbourne were affected by the violence.

 

[Tisme]

When will it end?.

When they hand over the keys of the country to them and every other resident who gets special treatment and kid gloves on a daily basis.... which eliminates most generational Australians.

 

[luutzu]

When they hand over the keys of the country to them and every other resident who gets special treatment and kid gloves on a daily basis.... which eliminates most generational Australians.

It really doesn't make sense.

So the First Fleet, and a few more after, weren't exactly treating the original owner with kids gloves. Thye kinda did take the keys and them whoever's left outback. BUT...

But for some reason, today's generations of First Fleeters would just hand the keys over to a bunch of brown people and decided to treat them with kids gloves?

It's either the inbreeding has made the pioneers' descendants weak, or we're being fed this horse crap so that wars on this and that other thing needs to be fought and faults need to be blamed. And who better to blame them on than a bunch of new arrivals barely able to speak any English.

 

[SirRumpole]

And who better to blame them on than a bunch of new arrivals barely able to speak any English.

African gangs are being blamed for the trouble they cause, ie their own misdeeds. What's wrong with that ?

What else are we trying to blame them for ?

 

[luutzu]

African gangs are being blamed for the trouble they cause, ie their own misdeeds. What's wrong with that ?

What else are we trying to blame them for ?

I wasn't referring to the article, just directly at Tisme's comment.

And if it's a gang, it's a gang. Blame them and take them to court. No need for race or ethnic origin.

There are law-abiding citizens and then there's criminals. They come in all shapes, sizes and skin colour.

 

[Tisme]

I to court. No need for race or ethnic origin.

There are law-abiding citizens and then there's criminals. They come in all shapes, sizes and skin colour.

Statistically you might be surprised at the per 100,000 offenders based on ethnicity.

 

[luutzu]

Statistically you might be surprised at the per 100,000 offenders based on ethnicity.

Ethnicity might be what's recorded, but that does not evidenced causation.

(parents) Income Tax bracket is a better indicator. Not saying that poverty-stricken parents make bad parents, but in general, kids from low socio-economic backgrounds tend to mix with the wrong crowds and like to steal stuff instead of asking their parents for money for them.

 

[Tisme]

Ethnicity might be what's recorded, but that does not evidenced causation.

(parents) Income Tax bracket is a better indicator. Not saying that poverty-stricken parents make bad parents, but in general, kids from low socio-economic backgrounds tend to mix with the wrong crowds and like to steal stuff instead of asking their parents for money for them.

I'll disagree on that one. Elephants and Gorillas in the room reveal the truth.

 

[Tisme]

 

[sptrawler]

Until the penal system becomes a penalty, why would anyone who feels they have nothing to lose, stop committing crimes?

https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/m...-marketplace-has-her-bmw-stolen-ng-b88772173z

If the worst that can happen, is you get sent to jail with a warm bed and three meals a day, and the best that happens is you get to take a BMW for a spin, I wonder what the deterrent is?

 

[SirRumpole]

Until the penal system becomes a penalty, why would anyone who feels they have nothing to lose, stop committing crimes?

https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/m...-marketplace-has-her-bmw-stolen-ng-b88772173z

If the worst that can happen, is you get sent to jail with a warm bed and three meals a day, and the best that happens is you get to take a BMW for a spin, I wonder what the deterrent is?

What happened to hard labour ?

Measure sentences by work targets not time.

 

[Junior]

Statistically you might be surprised at the per 100,000 offenders based on ethnicity.

Please share your data.

 

[Tisme]

Please share your data.

Well I would, but I suspect that is a loaded request given your hostility to anything I post n'est pas?

So I'll let you trawl through the ABS and State Govt data all by yourself to prove me wrong i.e. that "you might be surprised".

Here's a snapshot of 2016 UK so you can proclaim a foul ball:

Prosecution rate relative to the population was highest for Black juveniles (12 juveniles per 1,000 people in the population), followed by Mixed (4 per 1,000), Chinese or Other (2 per 1,000) and White (2 per 1,000) and Asian (2 per 1,000).

The proportion of the prison population varied greatly between ethnic groups: there were around 16 prisoners for every 10,000 people in England and Wales, similar to the White and Asian rates, but this includes only 5 prisoners for each 10,000 Chinese or Other population members, and 47 and 58 prisoners for each 10,000 Mixed and Black population members respectively.

In 2016, Black and Mixed defendants were 23% and 18% more likely than White defendants to be remanded in custody in Crown Court for indictable offences.

Prosecutions Relative to the population, the rates of prosecution for indictable offences for Black and Mixed ethnic groups were four and two times higher than for the White ethnic group. For every 1,000 population members, 16 Black and 9 Mixed defendants were prosecuted compared to 4 White defendants.

held to higher account :

White defendants have consistently had the highest conviction ratio for indictable offences out of all ethnic groups since 2012 (ranging from 80% to 86%), with the exception of Chinese or Other in 2015 (84%). The Relative Rate Index indicates there is a statistically significant disparity in the rates at which defendants from non-White ethnic groups are convicted when compared to White defendants.

 

[Junior]

Tisme, not a loaded request in this instance, I am interested in these stats and I don't doubt that some ethnic groups have higher instances of criminal activity per capita than others.

 

[Tisme]

Tisme, not a loaded request in this instance, I am interested in these stats and I don't doubt that some ethnic groups have higher instances of criminal activity per capita than others.

here's one :

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/offences-by-nationality/

here's another:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.../4517.0~2014~Main Features~Country of birth~7

 

[dutchie]

This is a disgrace. The judge should go to jail for six months.
I really can't understand why ambulance and paramedics personnel are attacked when they attend events to help.
Furious ambulance workers protest decision to NOT jail two women who brutally bashed an elderly paramedic by graffiting their own vehicles as the victim says he is 'disgusted by the outcome'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ria-protest-court-decision.html#ixzz5FbBEtWqF