Political correctness is out of control. I'm actually very surprised that political correctness hasn't yet vilified halal meat in the west. Many people (myself included) consider the halal method of killing to be very inhumane. Rather than a quick, instant, painless kill, the animal is sliced with a blade and bled to death.
I suppose pandering to peoples' religious stupidity which calls for animal cruelty is more important than preventing animal cruelty.
Interestingly, the Koran states that if no halal meat is available it's okay to eat non halal meat, so they should just be tolerant and eat what the others are eating.
I have no problem with people having what they want, but I do have a problem with one group preventing another from doing what they want to do. If everything is halal it will mean you can't ever cook pork on those barbecues. If someone turns up with regular sausages from the supermarket, too bad, you miss out, you can't cook them. If I turned up with some lamb chops or chicken wings, too bad, I can't cook them.
If one group wants to do their own thing, no worries, that's fine, do your own thing, bring your own barbecue and your own meat, eat whatever you like, but don't put restrictions on others. Even if it's a very trivial matter in this case, the precedent it sets is a very dangerous one, it's a small step in a very wrong direction, and paths the way for more steps in that same direction.
Humane treatment of animals ought to take priority over religion so far as I'm concerned.
The school should make all possible efforts to ensure that all meat is from animals killed humanely. If that upsets someone then so be it - inhumane methods are not acceptable in Australia and that is the end of the story.
+1 x 10.Humane treatment of animals ought to take priority over religion so far as I'm concerned.
The school should make all possible efforts to ensure that all meat is from animals killed humanely. If that upsets someone then so be it - inhumane methods are not acceptable in Australia and that is the end of the story.
Nothing to do with who was here first. Cruelty by a dominant species is hideous.So agree with that! The animals were here first after all...
+1 x 10.
Nothing to do with who was here first. Cruelty by a dominant species is hideous.
Lions, ferrets, cats, dogs and humans are all hideously cruel.
I don't buy this cruelty to animals 21st century nonsense get up.
If you eat meat, it's cruel. If you don't like it - be a vego.
We let our older people die in more cruel ways than our cattle.
But if you see it for what it is, that's fine. But let's not pretend that things aren't what they are.
It was 1986 when I went inside one of those chicken batteries for the first (and hopefully last) time. I still recall the images very clearly in my mind and it's something I will never forget. There's a pretty nasty smell inside too.Battery chickens and cattle feedlots disgust me beyond thought. If at had the entire decision i would raise my own proteins.
It was 1986 when I went inside one of those chicken batteries for the first (and hopefully last) time. I still recall the images very clearly in my mind and it's something I will never forget. There's a pretty nasty smell inside too.
As for the "free range costs too much" argument, my response is simply "so what?". It's not as though a rise in egg prices is going to put 100,000 people out of work and plunge the economy into recession or something like that so the economics aren't even a real issue.
Cruelty by a dominant species is hideous.
Also employs more people to actually go and pick up the eggs, rather than have them roll into the tray in front of the cage.
Then an auger transfers them to the collection bin.
We’re getting a bit off topic here, but are you folks aware that ‘free range’ eggs are not necessarily free range at all?
A bloke down the road from me sells ‘free range’ eggs to a number of pubs and shops. His 100 chooks are in a big pen about six times the size of your average house. The ground in the pen is completely denuded of vegetation. The chooks are fed on bought grain that’s been chemically treated, and they get a small amount of seeds and greenery from a couple of dozen edible shrubs he’s planted. As for them catching grubs and and worms as they’d do in a true free range situation, forget it – the ground is so bare that there’s no leaf litter or any other ground cover to harbor grubs and worms. It’s just bare hard ground that’s been tramped down by a hundred chooks roaming over it every day.
As far as I’m concerned he’s selling eggs under false pretenses by calling them free range eggs. But it’s legal, and there are many free range egg producers just like him.
I always thought ‘free range’ meant the chooks were free to wander wherever they wanted, not locked in a pen, and lived entirely off the land. But that not necessarily the case.
Can’t agree with you there, Sdajii. My chooks are let out of the pen every day to roam more or less as they please, scratching in the leaf litter under trees for grubs and small lizards, catching grasshoppers etc. They come back to their pen each evening by choice, and I shut the gate on them as protection from foxes.Comparing which is better for chicken wellbeing out of battery and free range is a bit like apples and oranges, they suffer in different ways, but neither is clearly better than the other.
The "whole idea" of private education is choice. The "image" is that they turn out a better product than public schools. If "poor and bogan families" aspire to raising their children's choices then they have to work for it like everybody else.
You say "exclusivity is part of the school's charter". Do you have any basis for this ridiculous insinuation. I'm pretty sure DocK would disagree with you.
http://education.qld.gov.au/corporate/newbasics/html/pedagogies/differ/dif2a.htmlExplanation - Inclusivity describes the degree to which non-dominant groups are represented in classroom practices by participation. Non-dominant groups are identified in relation to broad societal-level dimensions of social inclusion/exclusion
Lack of inclusivity is apparent when the students' backgrounds are ignored and they are treated as a homogenous group. This often results in some groups being unable or unwilling to contribute.
Inclusivity describes the degree to which non-dominant groups are represented in classroom practices by participation. Non-dominant groups are identified in relation to broad societal-level dimensions of social inclusion/exclusion.
Lack of inclusivity is apparent when the students' backgrounds are ignored and they are treated as a homogenous group. This often results in some groups being unable or unwilling to contribute..
The fees you've based your argument upon would apply to only the most prestigious private schools I'm guessing. The one my children attend charges more in the range of $5 - $10K depending upon year level. It is indeed true that not all parents can afford to send their children to a private school, but nor could the public schools in my area possibly cope if the private schools were not catering to a % of the students who would otherwise stretch the system to breaking point. There are a few very wealthy families in our school community, many more are comfortable provided both parents are working, and there are some that scrimp and save to send their kids to the school of their choice. Interestingly, our school has a rather high % of parents who are "tradies" and are sending their kids to a private school with the hope that they'll do better in life than their parents.Work for it? LOL. How long is the average person going to work to pay $30,000* a year from their after tax earnings? Say you have two kids...that's $60,000. So you have to be pulling well over $120,000 just to cover fees. Where do you get the money for the mortgage, food, services and bills?
Private schools are highly exclusive. They exclude based upon wealth and ability (in the case of scholarship).
That's fine, I don't have a problem with that. But let's be real.
*edit: year 12 fees.
Oh, if only..... My kids are actually on one full and one half academic scholarship, for which I'm very thankful as I don't think we'd be able to stretch the budget far enough to cover the full fees if we had to. I'd love to give the privileged upper-class lifestyle a whirl (at least for a little while), but I'm like a great deal of the other Mums in my school community - working part-time to bolster the family income and cover the school fees.So DocK belongs to the privileged wealthy upper-class.I don't think she would agree with that. You think like Swan, with a class war mentality. You obviously can't understand that some people scrimp and save to give their children a better start in life.
Speaking from experience...
Our cricket club puts on a free sausage sizzle with its AGM.
We have Pakistanis, Indians, Tamils, singhas, bangladeshis, racist Aussies and many others. A liquorice all sorts.
We have a BBQ for plain meat. We also have another for halal and veggie replacements. We have a few Vegos as well.
It works well. And after a few beers, the racist Aussie types end up eating the leftover halal and veggie stuff anyway.
Speaking from experience...
Our cricket club puts on a free sausage sizzle with its AGM.
We have Pakistanis, Indians, Tamils, singhas, bangladeshis, racist Aussies and many others. A liquorice all sorts.
Which group best describes you Chops?
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