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Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

  • Yes

    Votes: 77 55.8%

  • No

    Votes: 61 44.2%
  • Total voters
    138
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cynic said:
Incorrect!

My rationale is that truthfulness and freedom of expression are of paramount importance.

Any legislation that either encroaches on this important liberty, or fosters an environment where deceitfulness is seen as a necessary and/or acceptable alternative to truthful expression, runs counter to my understanding of what is required for the continued evolution and progress of human society.
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Then you would have no issue with refusing business on the grounds of someones faith.
 
Tisme said:
:D

Partial truth, but we really know why most people vote the way they do: all to do with sheep.
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I think there may have been a cattle dog or two in the mix this time around. For those seeking power, one always has to make sure the sheeples run in the right direction!
Otherwise how will they ever succeed in pulling the wool over the eyes of the flock, before fleecing them and dumping down the chute when finally done with them!

Might be time to get the Flock outta here!

Click go the shears!
 
SirRumpole said:
People are free not to be customers of businesses that they don't like, why shouldn't the reverse apply ?
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I don't think society has a whole benefits when particularly minorities can be targeted to the point they can't receive service due to factors outside of their control eg race. It would be fair to say that in this day and age the backlash on the business would probably prevent this from happening but then what's to say sentiment like we saw in WWII won't occur again. I think the laws are best left in place.
 
SirRumpole said:
60/40 is not a convincing victory. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in Parliament.
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For every 100 people that said No, 160 said Yes. thats pretty convincing to me.

Also, if you minus out the people that actually agreed with gay marriage, but voted no because they wanted to protest PC, or some other red herring like a lot of people here the results would have been even stronger.
 
Value Collector said:
For every 100 people that said No, 160 said Yes. thats pretty convincing to me.

Also, if you minus out the people that actually agreed with gay marriage, but voted no because they wanted to protest PC, or some other red herring like a lot of people here the results would have been even stronger.
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You don't know why people voted no.

Anyway at least it's over.
 
SirRumpole said:
People are free not to be customers of businesses that they don't like, why shouldn't the reverse apply ?
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For practicality, if we are going to function as a society we should be able to walk into any business and buy products without being discriminated against because of who we are.

If I need to buy petrel, I want to stop at any petrel station and be served, it doesn't make sense for it to be ok to be refused service at businesses that are open to the public.
 
Value Collector said:
For practicality, if we are going to function as a society we should be able to walk into any business and buy products without being discriminated against because of who we are.

If I need to buy petrel, I want to stop at any petrel station and be served, it doesn't make sense for it to be ok to be refused service at businesses that are open to the public.
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I think that the number of businesses that would actually discriminate would be very small, and would probably suffer from bad publicity, but forcing people by law to serve people that they don't want to is the same imo as forcing people to go to a particular bank.
 
SirRumpole said:
You don't know why people voted no.

Anyway at least it's over.
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People here have admited it, people have openly said that their vote was a protest against PC.

Also, the whole focus of the no campaign was on red herrings such as school programs etc, which were not what the survey was about.
 
SirRumpole said:
but forcing people by law to serve people that they don't want to is the same imo as forcing people to go to a particular bank.
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No one is forcing anyone to be in business, if you don't want to serve the public you don't have to, you can form a special little private club if you want to exclude the public.

But you can't say you are open to the public if you are planning to discriminate.
 
cynic said:
Correct! This is the first time in this thread you have posted something that I wholeheartedly agree with!
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overhang said:
Fair enough, unfortunately I can't recipitate. We will just have to agree to disagree.
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We can do that if you wish.

My point is not to argue for the virtue (or lack thereof) of bigotry, it is simply to say that once humanity starts finding (or creating) justification for acts of deception, the integrity of our society, and its ability to communicate with integrity, rapidly deteriorates.
 
Value Collector said:
No one is forcing anyone to be in business, if you don't want to serve the public you don't have to, you can form a special little private club if you want to exclude the public.

But you can't say you are open to the public if you are planning to discriminate.
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Ok so you have a point there. So you would have no objection to companies advertising that they don't serve XYZ ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Ok so you have a point there. So you would have no objection to companies advertising that they don't serve XYZ ?
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I would prefer if they operated as a private club that laid out the membership rules in a club constitution, But yes if they are going to discriminate then as a minimum it should be clearly sign posted on the front of their shop or website.
 
The commies like to control religion. After suppressing both religion and the freedom of moral conscience it usually doesn't stop there.
In a short while (once new laws come out) we'll no longer be free...
 
Value Collector said:
For every 100 people that said No, 160 said Yes. thats pretty convincing to me.

Also, if you minus out the people that actually agreed with gay marriage, but voted no because they wanted to protest PC, or some other red herring like a lot of people here the results would have been even stronger.
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7.2 million Yes
4.8 million No.
Hardly a minority vote.
 

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