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Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

  • Yes

    Votes: 77 55.8%

  • No

    Votes: 61 44.2%
  • Total voters
    138
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Logique said:
Nobody is bashing gays, and they can already get married, through civil unions. Afterwards they say 'we're married'.

The SSM lobby is trying to change the definition of marriage at law, and that's sinister.
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Gays ARE getting bashed, so it's already sinister.
 
This story certainly bends our concept of "vanilla" as far as relationships go. It is already happening so SSM marriage questions are, in a sense, irrelevant.

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My big gay family changed my mind on same-sex marriage
Patrick Lukins
I’ve always struggled with my sexuality, but my family now sets an example to my son to be proud of who he is


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Patrick Lukins and his son Miles. “I want to set an example: not to hide, not to be afraid.” Photograph: Supplied

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Thursday 12 October 2017 18.00 BST

My name is Patrick, I am 32 years old and a trainee paramedic who lives a lucky but otherwise unremarkable existence. When I first heard about the idea of gay marriage a few years back, I was against the idea. Not because of religious reasons or prejudice, but because I felt like gays had enough rights and shouldn’t be asking too much. Close enough is good enough, I thought. Before you wish upon me the headbutt of a bearded anarchist, consider two things: firstly, I am gay. Secondly, my views have drastically changed since then. I wanted to tell you why.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...y-family-changed-my-mind-on-same-sex-marriage
 
Logique said:
Changing the definition in the Marriage Act won't change a thing. Plenty of non-gays getting beaten up too.
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Why are non-gays getting beaten up? For being gay? The bastards.

My point was gay bashing in the 70's was very prevalent and people turned a blind eye to it. That was the way of thinking at the time. It's not as bad now but it's still happening because they are still being marginalised by haters.

If you believe SSM won't be a further step away from way of thinking that's your prerogative, but it goes against recent mainstream attitudes towards the gay community.
 
PZ99 said:
Why are non-gays getting beaten up? For being gay? The bastards.

My point was gay bashing in the 70's was very prevalent and people turned a blind eye to it. That was the way of thinking at the time. It's not as bad now but it's still happening because they are still being marginalised by haters.

If you believe SSM won't be a further step away from way of thinking that's your prerogative, but it goes against recent mainstream attitudes towards the gay community.
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Not just bashed, but even shot.

this is in Sydney.

 
PZ99 said:
Why are non-gays getting beaten up? For being gay? The bastards.

My point was gay bashing in the 70's was very prevalent and people turned a blind eye to it. That was the way of thinking at the time. It's not as bad now but it's still happening because they are still being marginalised by haters.

If you believe SSM won't be a further step away from way of thinking that's your prerogative, but it goes against recent mainstream attitudes towards the gay community.
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How prevalent was it? Do you have any published stats? I never saw a gay being bashed an I spent most of my life out and about in the 70's
 
When Gangs Killed Gay Men for Sport: Australia Reviews 88 Deaths

SYDNEY, Australia — On a December day in 1988, a teenager on a spearfishing expedition found a body at the bottom of one of the wild, honey-colored sandstone cliffs that line Sydney Harbor.

Naked, torn and battered by the rocks, the dead man was a promising American mathematician, Scott Johnson. His clothes were found at the top of the cliff in a neat pile with his digital watch, student ID and a $10 bill, folded in a small plastic sheath. There was no wallet, and no note.

The police concluded that Mr. Johnson, 27, had committed suicide, and a coroner agreed. Fatal leaps from the cliffs around Sydney into the fierce sea below were not uncommon, then or now.

But 28 years later, a new inquest into Mr. Johnson’s death has begun. His brother, a wealthy Boston tech entrepreneur, has pressed the Australian authorities for years to revisit the case, arguing that Mr. Johnson was murdered because he was gay and that the police failed to see it.

If so, it appears Mr. Johnson may not have been the only one.

During the 1980s and 1990s, the Australian authorities now say, gangs of teenagers in Sydney hunted gay men for sport, sometimes forcing them off the cliffs to their deaths. But the police, many of whom had a reputation for hostility toward gay men, often carried out perfunctory investigations that overlooked the possibility of homicide, former officials and police officers say.

Now the police in New South Wales, the state that includes Sydney, are reviewing the deaths of 88 men between 1976 and 2000 to determine whether they should be classified as anti-gay hate crimes.

About 30 of the cases remain unsolved, and the police have not said how many of the killings were tied to gangs. About a dozen victims were found dead at the bottom of cliffs or in the sea, the police say.

The review and the inquest into Mr. Johnson’s death are casting light on a shocking chapter of Sydney’s history, one that some say has yet to be fully revealed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/australia/australia-gay-men-killed-suicides-sydney.html
 
basilio said:
This story certainly bends our concept of "vanilla" as far as relationships go. It is already happening so SSM marriage questions are, in a sense, irrelevant.

Opinion
My big gay family changed my mind on same-sex marriage
Patrick Lukins
I’ve always struggled with my sexuality, but my family now sets an example to my son to be proud of who he is


1080.jpg
Patrick Lukins and his son Miles. “I want to set an example: not to hide, not to be afraid.” Photograph: Supplied

Shares
1005

Comments
63
Thursday 12 October 2017 18.00 BST

My name is Patrick, I am 32 years old and a trainee paramedic who lives a lucky but otherwise unremarkable existence. When I first heard about the idea of gay marriage a few years back, I was against the idea. Not because of religious reasons or prejudice, but because I felt like gays had enough rights and shouldn’t be asking too much. Close enough is good enough, I thought. Before you wish upon me the headbutt of a bearded anarchist, consider two things: firstly, I am gay. Secondly, my views have drastically changed since then. I wanted to tell you why.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...y-family-changed-my-mind-on-same-sex-marriage
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Caesar judging Caesar ....like patting yourself on the back for your own decisions.
 
hey I used to get bashed for being a Yank, then I got bashed for being smart or for wearing glasses

stop looking for victimhood to support a political agenda
 
Don't tell me... you were a smart yank with glasses getting bashed for using a computer right?
 
I'll tell you what we don't do - we don't throw gays off tall buildings. As happens in some parts of the world.

Still waiting for Mr & Mrs Aly to tell us their stance on SSM.
 

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