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Yes, they can.
But kids are a red herring, Because you are ok with an infertile couple marrying aren't you?
Same sex marriage - Yes or No?
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Yes, they can.
But kids are a red herring, Because you are ok with an infertile couple marrying aren't you?
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Based on what science ?
TWO homosexuals cannot bear a child together, they need a third person. That's why they want to destroy the family system because one of "their childrens " parents are no longer on the scene of the child's upbringing.
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Firstly, as I said, the marriage debate is separate from the parenting debate.
But, a lesbian couple need nothing more than a sperm donor, just like any other couple that uses IVF, Also the technology is pretty much there that would allow an egg to be fertilised with the genetic material from another egg, meaning no need for a sperm, and allowing a baby to be produced from two biological female parents.
Also there is adopting etc, which they have the same rights to as straight couples already.
Thats the same for many infertile straight couples.
Do we ban infertile mariage?
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Much the same way that infertile married couples at the moment have children. Sperm doners, IVF. In fact with the overall problems with male infertility, late marriages, single women wanting to have a child I reckon the % of "natural" childbirths would have to be falling.
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IVF in general causes more problems than it creates, there is no reason for it to exist.
The other problems are the result of economic pressure, couples can't afford a house let alone children.
Make housing affordable and reduce the cost of living and people will have children. Artificial birth methods are just papering over a wider problem.
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Red herring.
Whether TWO people (man and woman) can or want to have children is up to them. The point is that they are biologically equipped to do so. Homosexuals are not.
Three people cannot legally marry each other.
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Yes. Mum, dad and the kids. Stop the appeasement of minority groups running their own agenda.
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Not always, many straight couples get married who know that one of them is Not Biologically equipped, either by disease, age, birth defect, accidents etc etc
If you are willing to allow these people to marry, it is not rational to use the "can't have babies naturally" argument when discussing gay marriage.
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Splitting hairs.
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Yeh perfectly normal.
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Not at all, "they can't have Babies" seems to be a prominent argument here against gay marriage.
I am just turning it around to see whether people would also use this argument to prevent the straight couples it applied to from marrying.
If it isn't seen as a problem to allow straight couples who can't or won't have children to marry, how can the argument be used to stop gays from marrying?
Seems ok to me.
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interesting pic tech/A...
what about people who are genuinely attracted to children, but would never hurt them (e.g "virtuous pedophiles")? i would expect there would be a good number of them out there. are both groups normal , or is one group normal and the other not? i think 'normal' is whatever we define it to be.
what about people who are genuinely attracted to children, but would never hurt them (e.g "virtuous pedophiles")? i would expect there would be a good number of them out there. are both groups normal , or is one group normal and the other not? i think 'normal' is whatever we define it to be.
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This is Normal.
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Even ducks form same sex marriages.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/extinction-countdown/gay-ducks-derail-repopulation-plan/
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Not this little Black Duck!
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No, But I respect your right to should you choose to.
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The line of respect of peoples rights to do a whole host of things is severely blurred.
What's right for a paedophile isn't right for me---should I respect his rights?
Should I respect the rights of a family who kill in the name of family honour.
Or accept that child brides are ok to many societies.
So to is multiple marriages.
The line it seems is drawn but the loudest voices.
And supported by those who benefit most in power.
What's right for a paedophile isn't right for me---should I respect his rights?
Should I respect the rights of a family who kill in the name of family honour.
Or accept that child brides are ok to many societies.
So to is multiple marriages.
The line it seems is drawn but the loudest voices.
And supported by those who benefit most in power.
