Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

Value Collector · 14 August 2017

SirRumpole said:
Basically yes. If a person puts effort into producing a product they actually own that product and should have a RIGHT to sell it to who they want.

I don't believe that they SHOULD discriminate, but that's their choice.

Basically, anyone who wants to make money will sell to whoever wants to buy.

That's where I disagree and I think the law does to, if you are open to the public, you have to serve the public, you can't discriminate.

Sure you can refuse to do special orders, e.g. You can say no we don't stock the cake toppers with two brides or two grooms, but if someone wants to buy something "off the rack" and it's forsake, it's wrong to not sell just because if the customers race or sexuality etc.

It's just better for society that way, if we all avoid discriminating against each other we will all have a better time.

SirRumpole · 14 August 2017

Value Collector said:
That's where I disagree and I think the law does to, if you are open to the public, you have to serve the public, you can't discriminate.

Sure you can refuse to do special orders, e.g. You can say no we don't stock the cake toppers with two brides or two grooms, but if someone wants to buy something "off the rack" and it's forsake, it's wrong to not sell just because if the customers race or sexuality etc.

It's just better for society that way, if we all avoid discriminating against each other we will all have a better time.

I think that the number of times businesses would refuse to serve anyone providing they weren't drunk or abusive would be very small, and it could be dealt with by publicity, boycotts etc rather than oppressive legislation.

Gringotts Bank · 15 August 2017

Value Collector said:
if we all avoid discriminating against each other we will all have a better time.

Yes, but two problems:
1) discrimination is almost constantly active in the mind, but because it's unconscious, people don't know they're doing it. The human mind is designed to discriminate and judge, constantly.
2) non-judgment is not easy to practice. The only way to do it is to switch off the critical/analytical aspect of the mind, and that takes massive commitment to practice.

We all judge and discriminate. Minority groups perhaps more so than the mainstream.

crackajack · 15 August 2017

in my uneducated opiono all this is about is work generation for boring unemployed people. In all serious who give a rats about same sex marriage? I for one do not but however some jerks will be making lots of money off all the propaganda and postal votes... what a waste of time effort and money. Go away losers and screw yourselves in the bush or watever.

crackajack · 15 August 2017

Gringotts Bank said:
Yes, but two problems:
1) discrimination is almost constantly active in the mind, but because it's unconscious, people don't know they're doing it. The human mind is designed to discriminate and judge, constantly.
2) non-judgment is not easy to practice. The only way to do it is to switch off the critical/analytical aspect of the mind, and that takes massive commitment to practice.

We all judge and discriminate. Minority groups perhaps more so than the mainstream.

lo yep last resort, plead discrimination, just what the world needs, more attention seekers like that half wit in North Korea.

tech/a · 15 August 2017

crackajack said:
in my uneducated opiono all this is about is work generation for boring unemployed people. In all serious who give a rats about same sex marriage? I for one do not but however some jerks will be making lots of money off all the propaganda and postal votes... what a waste of time effort and money. Go away losers and screw yourselves in the bush or watever.

Kim Jung
Is that you?

Tink · 15 August 2017

Just like The Green's Councils in Melbourne

The ones that constantly talk about changing Australia Day.

Christmas, and anything to do with Western Culture.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...n/news-story/b4976b48ec38f866461913b81017fa5f

Darebin Council will give free office space to same-sex marriage campaigners — while blacklisting opponents of marriage equality.

Greens-dominated Darebin Council will also issue a warning to local churches not to campaign against same-sex marriage.

It will allow ‘yes’ campaigners to use council facilities and services for free in the lead up to the postal plebiscite on same-sex marriage.

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And as I mentioned in Tasmania

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2015/s4320710.htm

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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/t...s-commission-a-national-disgrace.31515/page-4

Tisme · 15 August 2017

I'm guessing the mods are keeping an eye on the IP address conflicts in this poll ...if you get my drift.

Tink · 15 August 2017

The Marriage Act in Australia is one man and one woman.

So I would like to question how that person could take someone to an anti discrimination board when the Church was talking about Marriage as it is in the law.

overhang · 15 August 2017

Tisme said:
I'm not ignoring any facts, just correcting them as they incorrectly being applied to bolster you argument. I'm insinuating nothing and fully aware of how marriage works, how long its been used in the British empire and before and that rights are conferred by the people who govern, not a birthright

They weren't incorrectly applied, as my facts proved voting rights have had similar changes to marriage rights in this country and we actually don't have a long history of traditional marriage as you seemed to suggest. The gold standard society Tink talks about is when women couldn't vote.

crackajack · 15 August 2017

tech/a said:
Kim Jung
Is that you?

well he has a bad hair day every day

crackajack · 15 August 2017

Besides which there has always been gays in Australia and I have no problem with that, but now they are chirping on about equality bla bla bla. Who really gives a rats?
The entire issue is a waste of time and taxpayers money. as is marriage and divorce. Jerks.

Value Collector · 15 August 2017

crackajack said:
Besides which there has always been gays in Australia and I have no problem with that, but now they are chirping on about equality bla bla bla. Who really gives a rats?

Change the word "gays" in the sentence above to Blacks, and see how it sounds.

But, if you don't "give a rats", give them equality, and move on, simple.

crackajack · 15 August 2017

On

Value Collector said:
Change the word "gays" in the sentence above to Blacks, and see how it sounds.

But, if you don't "give a rats", give them equality, and move on, simple.

Only reason for this gay marriage thing i so they claim government benefits. How about single people without kids? Do they get any rorts.. no. I vote NO.

Junior · 15 August 2017

crackajack said:
On

Only reason for this gay marriage thing i so they claim government benefits. How about single people without kids? Do they get any rorts.. no. I vote NO.

This is incorrect. A gay couple is already treated as a couple for Centrelink purposes. Marriage makes no difference here.

Tisme · 15 August 2017

overhang said:
. The gold standard society Tink talks about is when women couldn't vote.

None of us could have.

Tisme · 15 August 2017

Junior said:
This is incorrect. A gay couple is already treated as a couple for Centrelink purposes. Marriage makes no difference here.

The reason for the marriage equality is so the family court skips the steps of loving relationship and union, rather than dispassionate cohabitation. It's a jump queue ticket

overhang · 15 August 2017

Tisme said:
None of us could have.

In Victoria we had 51 gold standard years where women couldn't vote in state elections from 1857 to 1908 but yet men could.

Garpal Gumnut · 15 August 2017

I am much in favour of Same Sex Marriage and had planned to vote Yes, but am concerned by all the loonies bullying people who say they may vote No.

They appear to be Left Fascists. I am unsure now whether to vote Yes or No as the consequences of Left Fascism may be worse than the status quo.

Then again I empathise with gay people who wish to marry.

I'm a swinging voter on this issue.

gg

crackajack · 15 August 2017

Junior said:
This is incorrect. A gay couple is already treated as a couple for Centrelink purposes. Marriage makes no difference here.

so why bother this gay marriage bs another way to waste money

Same sex marriage - Yes or No?