Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[PZ99]

It's a snapshot of what we saw in the 70's - except back then it was common practice and not reported. If we are regressing back to it in the 21st century it proves society has learned nothing.

Star Hotel - Cold Chisel

 

[Tisme]

It's a snapshot of what we saw in the 70's - except back then it was common practice and not reported. If we are regressing back to it in the 21st century it proves society has learned nothing.

Star Hotel - Cold Chisel

What, riots because the cops shutdown a band playing inside?

 

[Tink]

They are connected, Triathlete

http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/

If Marriage is changed to genderless, then the (un) safe school will be rolled out as compulsory to every school and every child.

The state will take over the parenting of the child, and push parents out.

Homosexual marriage will be placed above traditional marriage.

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VC, they are not banned.

They have civil unions which gives them all the same rights as heterosexual.

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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/threads/is-political-correctness-going-too-far.18326/

 

[overhang]

So it seems the people are receiving their postal votes now. It will be interesting to see if the results follow polling or if the polling was just the Bradley effect.

The Bradley effect (less commonly the Wilder effect)[1][2] is a theory concerning observed discrepancies between voter opinion polls and election outcomes in some United States government elections where a white candidate and a non-white candidate run against each other.[3][4][5] The theory proposes that some voters who intend to vote for the white candidate would nonetheless tell pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for the non-white candidate

 

[PZ99]

What, riots because the cops shutdown a band playing inside?

Yeah, pretty daft hey? Just like today.
And the authorities wanted it shut down because it attracted gays at the bar.

Homosexual marriage will be placed above traditional marriage.

That's a bit over the top - don't you think?

 

[Tisme]

Yeah, pretty daft hey? Just like today.
And the authorities wanted it shut down because it attracted gays at the bar.

I remember going to the Sunday sessions in Perth 70s and there were always gays in the crowd and no one seemed to care, except my partner was always amused them eyeing off my arse when getting drinks.

 

[PZ99]

LOL. Don't tell me.... your response was apathetic at best ?

 

[Tisme]

LOL. Don't tell me.... your response was apathetic at best ?

That's a fault of mine...I really have a hard time getting interested and passionate about much at all...even after about two hours on the nest I start thinking about an intermission.

 

[Junior]

The state will take over the parenting of the child, and push parents out.

The overcrowded, already stretched public school system will never 'take over' the parenting of the child. You are peddling a ridiculous fear campaign.

Homosexual marriage will be placed above traditional marriage.

No it won't.

Heterosexual couples comprise the overwhelming majority of relationships. This will never change. Look at the long list of countries where SSM is already legal. Is everyone turning gay?

It's not an agenda to turn everyone gay. It's simply an issue of equality and inclusiveness. A positive change.

They have civil unions which gives them all the same rights as heterosexual.

And soon they will have weddings too. Much like the blacks and women gained the same rights as everyone else, so too will homosexuals, and society will be better for it.

 

[Tisme]

You can't get much more accurate than a poll by the ACL and/or Safe Schools and/or ABC

A third of all Australian voters say they are undecided over whether to allow gay marriage in a national poll that signals the issue of legal protections for religion and freedom of speech could determine Malcolm Turnbull’s postal plebiscite.

A national poll of 4,000 people commissioned by the Australian Christian Lobby suggests that 61 per cent would likely vote Yes with protections for children, freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

But, in an indication the No campaign could be influencing voters, the Yes vote tanked to just 17 per cent when people were presented with a scenario in which gay marriage was unaccompanied by legal protections.

In this situation, the number of people prepared to change their vote to No doubled, while 29 per cent of respondents said they were undecided.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e/news-story/978b91d0522b43eaf2f6e6151e02c8e2

 

[Tink]

Since the public system seems to be going against Western Culture, and our public holidays, then maybe they should consider making those schools private, since they seem to be peddling their own agenda.

Why is the taxpayer paying for this political correct school?

This is my view.

You are entitled to your own and you are free to have your own vote.

I am glad we are having a VOTE, not like these Communists that tried to stop us.

 

[PZ99]

I am glad we are having a VOTE too, not like these Conservatives that rammed it through parliament in 2004. We should really repeal that legislation then have the vote

 

[Tisme]

I don't understand why a business or sole trader doesn't have the right to deny service to anyone they consider detrimental to their ability to go about their activities. I can imagine the aggravation and loss of focus at being made to perform a service that you are fundamentally opposed to doing... it's not like being an employee and just quiting or going to the shop steward.

The Colorado baker who refused to custom-make a cake for a gay wedding couple has been helped along by support from the Department of Justice.


The DOJ issued an amicus brief in support of Jack C. Phillips ahead of the supreme court case, the Independent Journal Review reported. An amicus brief is simply a friend-of-the-court legal recommendation of additional information to keep in mind, according to Public Health Law Center.

The amicus brief discusses how Phillips sees making cakes as a form of art and spiritual expression, and so the First Amendment needs to be taken into account. The brief goes into how many aspects of the business incorporate the owner’s Christian beliefs, not just the cake making. The shop is closed on Sundays, does not incorporate alcohol into its products, and does not sell any Halloween-related goods.

“When Phillips designs and creates a custom wedding cake for a specific couple and a specific wedding, he plays an active role in enabling that ritual, and he associates himself with the celebratory message conveyed,” states the amicus brief.

Back in 2012, before gay marriage was legal in Colorado, Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Phillips did not refuse service to Charlie Craig and David Mullins. He didn’t say they couldn’t purchase any of the ready-made goods already in stock or other kinds of custom-made items, but he refused to create a custom wedding cake celebrating a same-sex marriage for their wedding party.

Craig and Mullins at the time planned to go to Massachusetts to get married, where it was legally possible. Colorado had not recognized same-sex marriages or civil unions until 2014. After the refusal, the couple obtained a wedding cake from another bakery that they used at the reception.


Craig and Mullins filed a discrimination case...............................(cont)

http://www.ntd.tv/2017/09/11/baker-refusing-to-make-wedding-cakes-for-gays-gains-support-of-doj/

 

[dutchie]

...even after about two hours on the nest I start thinking about an intermission.

LOL

 

[Logique]

Canada, USA, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden - why would it be any different in this country? Australians will already face special restrictive legislation during the current postal plebiscite!

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/09/augusto-zimmermann/
12 Sept 2017 - Augusto Zimmerman - Gay Marriage: After the Honeymoon
... If the overseas experience is any guide, religious liberty and freedom of conscience will be in peril ...
... One could also take the example of Sweden. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Sweden since 2009, although priests can decline to celebrate weddings under the country’s Marriage Code. However, just eight years on from re-defining marriage, the Swedish government has recently indicated that it is currently working to ensure all priests must consecrate everyone, including same-sex couples. ...

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't understand why a business or sole trader doesn't have the right to deny service to anyone they consider detrimental to their ability to go about their activities. I can imagine the aggravation and loss of focus at being made to perform a service that you are fundamentally opposed to doing... it's not like being an employee and just quiting or going to the shop steward.

Businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like.

In reality I think the vast majority of businesses will do work for whoever pays, but just like I don't have to work for people I think are d*ckheads, businesses should not have to serve people that they fundamentally object to.

The number of people adversely affected by religious freedom in this area has to be minute, but the militant PC'ers feel they have to make an example of a few little bakers who dare to oppose their 'rights' to a wedding cake they could probably just as easily make for themselves or find someone else who will do it.

 

[cynic]

I don't understand why a business or sole trader doesn't have the right to deny service to anyone they consider detrimental to their ability to go about their activities. I can imagine the aggravation and loss of focus at being made to perform a service that you are fundamentally opposed to doing... it's not like being an employee and just quiting or going to the shop steward.




http://www.ntd.tv/2017/09/11/baker-refusing-to-make-wedding-cakes-for-gays-gains-support-of-doj/

The crazy thing about this, is, if a baker was fundamentally opposed to serving me, why would I even consider trusting in the quality of any of his legally enforced offerings?

For all I know, he could decide to lace the cake with laxatives (or worse) in revenge!

 

[Value Collector]

The number of people adversely affected by religious freedom in this area has to be minute, but the militant PC'ers feel they have to make an example of a few little bakers who dare to oppose their 'rights' to a wedding cake they could probably just as easily make for themselves or find someone else who will do it.

Lets say its a small country town, with 1 petrol station, and the owner decides he doesn't want to sell petrol to asians anymore, This can cause a huge problem for the asians in that town, not to mention its just a **** thing to do.

So society has decided that to get along we shouldn't discriminate, and if you sell a product or service you should just serve all that come regardless of race, gender, sexuality etc.

 

[SirRumpole]

Lets say its a small country town, with 1 petrol station, and the owner decides he doesn't want to sell petrol to asians anymore, This can cause a huge problem for the asians in that town, not to mention its just a **** thing to do.

Do you have some examples of this actually happening ?

Businesses are there to make money,they will take all the money they can get.

 

[Junior]

Businesses should have the right to serve whoever they like.

In reality I think the vast majority of businesses will do work for whoever pays, but just like I don't have to work for people I think are d*ckheads, businesses should not have to serve people that they fundamentally object to.

The number of people adversely affected by religious freedom in this area has to be minute, but the militant PC'ers feel they have to make an example of a few little bakers who dare to oppose their 'rights' to a wedding cake they could probably just as easily make for themselves or find someone else who will do it.

Agreed, they can serve who they like.

The reality is, if a cake shop refuses to serve someone because they are gay, there will be a social media sh!tstorm and they will lose business. 99.9% of businesses will just serve anyone who walks in anyway.