Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

cynic · 11 September 2017

overhang said:
This is actually really simple, if you don't believe it's a red herring then tell me which state or territory do SS not have parental rights but will so if marriage is legalised. If the answer is none then it's a moot point, I've already provided proof that it won't change anything in the NT.

I cannot claim to know what the exact outcome will be!

Nor can I boldly claim to know whether or not this will be to the betterment, or detriment, of our society!

Based upon the behaviours I am observing, directly in Australia, and via media internationally, I am becoming increasingly convinced that this will likely create far more division than it will remove, and as such, harm many more people than it helps!

overhang · 11 September 2017

cynic said:
I cannot claim to know what the exact outcome will be!

Nor can I boldly claim to know whether or not this will be to the betterment, or detriment, of our society!

Based upon the behaviours I am observing, directly in Australia, and via media internationally, I am becoming increasingly convinced that this will likely create far more division than it will remove, and as such, harm many more people than it helps!

And that is why it's a red herring.

This government has created this division by forcing a vote on the issue, a parliamentary free vote would not have caused this type of division in society.

cynic · 11 September 2017

overhang said:
And that is why it's a red herring.

This government has created this division by forcing a vote on the issue, a parliamentary free vote would not have caused this type of division in society.

I am not entirely convinced.
Perhaps when people fail to recognise or acknowledge the true cause of their angst, some might choose to dismiss objections in that manner.

My preference is, despite the undoubtedly excellent quality of his tinned seafood, to keep John West out of debates.

MrBurns · 11 September 2017

Marriage

good morning. We want to apply for a marriage license."

"Names?", said the clerk.
"Tim and Jim Jones."
"Jones?? Are you related?? I see a resemblance."
"Yes, we're brothers."
"Brothers?? You can't get married."
"Why not?? Aren't you giving marriage licenses to same gender couples?"
"Yes, thousands. But we haven't had any siblings. That's incest!"
"Incest?" No, we are not gay."
"Not gay?? Then why do you want to get married?"
"For the financial benefits, of course. And we do love each other. Besides, we don't have any other prospects."
"But we're issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples who've claim they'd been denied equal protection under law.
If you are not gay, you can get married to a woman."
"Wait a minute. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I have.
But just because I'm straight doesn't mean I want to marry a woman. I want to marry Jim."
"And I want to marry Tim, Are you going to discriminate against us just because we are not gay?"
"All right, all right. I'll give you your license. Next."
"Hi. We are here to get married."
"Names?"
"John Smith, Jane James, Robert Green, and June Johnson."
"Who wants to marry whom?"
"We all want to marry each other."
"But there are four of you!"
"That's right. You see, we're all bisexual. I love Jane and Robert, Jane loves me and June,

June loves Robert and Jane, and Robert loves June and me.

All of us getting married together is the only way that we can express our sexual preferences in a marital relationship."
"But we've only been granting licenses to gay and lesbian couples."
"So you're discriminating against bisexuals!"
"No, it's just that, well, the traditional idea of marriage is that it's just for couples."
"Since when are you standing on tradition?"
"Well, I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere."
"Who says?? There's no logical reason to limit marriage to couples.

The more the better. Besides, we demand our rights! The mayor says the constitution guarantees equal protection under the law.

Give us a marriage license!"

"All right, all right. Next."
"Hello, I'd like a marriage license."
"In what names?"
"David Anderson."
"And the other man?"
"That's all. I want to marry myself."
"Marry yourself?? What do you mean?"
"Well, my psychiatrist says I have a dual personality, so I want to marry the two together.
Maybe I can file a joint income-tax return."
"That does it!? I quit!!? You people are making a mockery of marriage!!"
...Don't laugh, it's just a matter of time.

Tisme · 11 September 2017

luutzu said:
I thought straight couples nowadays only get married when they want to have kids. The only un-planned weddings are gunshot weddings.

I mean kids nowadays don't have the moral compass those of ancient times has. They sleeps around, sleep with one partner before marriage and almost none of them (beside the socialites) were matched by their parents or matchmaker. The horror!

wot?

Tisme · 11 September 2017

Macquack said:
So according to Tisme, SSM equates to child abuse.

Why don't you go bash a few poofters and get it out of your system FFS.

That's a kind off drivel statement one would expect from a child. Dementia or puberty kicking in?

If you can't debate without resorting to personal attacks you have alreAdy lost the argument. You proposal to violence is unacceptable for forum posts and I expect you will recant that and act like an adult

Tisme · 11 September 2017

Wysiwyg said:
Can someone run it by me why this minority group wants to change the definition of marriage again?

Because slavery has been abolished? Slavery = SSM
The voting age has been lowered to 18? Voting age = SSM
Capital punishment for theft has been abolished? Capital punishment = SSM
The Catholic church once sanctified homosexuality? Catholic church = SSM
Lack of evidence that kids turn out OK with natural (male/female) parents? Male/female parenting is a risk
Absence of homosexual marriage reduces mental health? Homosexuals have mental health issues.
Ron Levy. What a fantastic distortion.

Male / female marriage and the associated raisng of offspring does not equal anything else.

No you obviously haven't been keeping pace. Our resident anarchist explained that marriage is actually a homosexual instigation dating back to the Greeks. Prior to that people wandered around navel gazing pondering the meaning of life.

So gays are merely reclaiming what was usurped from them a couple of k years ago.

basilio · 11 September 2017

Into script writing Mr Burns ? Reckon you can recognise an extended joke when you see one ?

It's a good thing this particular discussion is just about 2 (unrelated) adult people wanting to be married. (Incest is not allowed by the way)

But certainly come up with whatever creative possibilities can be contrived to divert attention from the topic.

Macquack · 11 September 2017

Tisme said:
That's a kind off drivel statement one would expect from a child. Dementia or puberty kicking in?

If you can't debate without resorting to personal attacks you have alreAdy lost the argument.

Oh the hyprocrisy.

cynic · 11 September 2017

basilio said:
Into script writing Mr Burns ? Reckon you can recognise an extended joke when you see one ?

It's a good thing this particular discussion is just about 2 (unrelated) adult people wanting to be married. (Incest is not allowed by the way)

But certainly come up with whatever creative possibilities can be contrived to divert attention from the topic.

Greater risk of genetic problems with the progeny from incest, were, to my understanding, the key reason for prohibition.

Once heterosexual relations are removed from the marriage equation, where can an obstacle to the marriage of gay siblings be found?

MrBurns · 11 September 2017

Looking at the big picture why do gays want to marry anyway ?
There's no need for it, men and women marry predominantly to have a family, children of their own with a family name....so why are gay people wanting marriage ?

SirRumpole · 11 September 2017

MrBurns said:
.so why are gay people wanting marriage ?

It's mostly an assault on normal society to attempt to overcome their inferiority complex and especially to stick it to the churches for their perceived persecution.

MrBurns · 11 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
It's mostly an assault on normal society to attempt to overcome their inferiority complex and especially to stick it to the churches for their perceived persecution.

Unfortunately I think you're right.

satanoperca · 11 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
It's mostly an assault on normal society to attempt to overcome their inferiority complex and especially to stick it to the churches for their perceived persecution.

You have a really f---kd perception of life, society and love, my heart goes out to you

Wysiwyg · 11 September 2017

Ask for an opinion what is 'equal' about it. MM FF TT TM TF IT IM IF QF QM apparently those relationships are equal to the natural male/female relationship and consumation by marriage.

cynic · 11 September 2017

SirRumpole said:
It's mostly an assault on normal society to attempt to overcome their inferiority complex and especially to stick it to the churches for their perceived persecution.

satanoperca said:
You have a really f---kd perception of life, society and love, my heart goes out to you

One of the great things about garden variety freedom of expression (i.e. absent pc inhibitions), is that people can openly tell it the way they see it!

Bravo SirR and satanoperca!

luutzu · 11 September 2017

cynic said:
One of the great things about garden variety freedom of expression (i.e. absent pc inhibitions), is that people can openly tell it the way they see it!

Bravo SirR and satanoperca!

Dude. Where's my bravo?

cynic · 11 September 2017

luutzu said:
Dude. Where's my bravo?

Yes, I concede that I have been prejudicially remiss in acknowledging your reiterations throughout perpetuity.

basilio · 11 September 2017

MrBurns said:
Looking at the big picture why do gays want to marry anyway ?
There's no need for it, men and women marry predominantly to have a family, children of their own with a family name....so why are gay people wanting marriage ?

I think there is an amazing irony in these conversations. In my view and experience I believe the reason for (some) gay people wanting to be married is part of an essential conservatism amongst people overall.
Certainly people bang around, gay or straight. But I suggest that when people finally do find a partner they adore make a public marriage statement about their relationship becomes important and valuable.

I suggest that the desire of some gay people to be part of the conservative picture of a marriage committment is just that. They don't want to put it up the Church. For better or worse they simply want to be a part of one the more institutions in our society because they want to publicly committ to each other.

satanoperca · 11 September 2017

719 posts on one thread, my conclusion, whether we agree or disagree on the topic, I am thankful that we all are able to express our views with violence.

I would like to thank all who have contributed to this discussion, for good or bad, it is an expression of our individual freedom to have an opinion, I hope this never changes in our society/community.

Same sex marriage - Yes or No?